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timothyhasty

timothyhastyJul 10, 2019 01:43 PM

  • 1.  windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Oct 17, 2018 11:55 PM

    I downloaded the Windows 10 1809 and Server 2019 ISOs the day they became available so I can start working on my templates.

    I built the templates with EFI, paravirtual for the C drive and vmxnet3 adapter. I've been using this combo for other versions of windows 10/8/7and windows server 2008r2/2012r2/1016 without issue.

    So far Windows 2019 (with desktop experience) seems to be ok at least for a basic vm and guest customization. Haven't tried anything else yet.

    Windows 10 1809 on the other hand is very, very slow to reboot after the initial install or even just rebooting after making some changes post install. After installing the OS it took 10-15 minutes for the initial windows setup stuff (user, security settings, etc) to appear . I tried a VM set to BIOS and it seemed faster but was still quite slow. Server 2019 and other versions of windows 10 have no issue.

    The hosts are esxi 6.5 and 6.7.

    I haven't had a chance to try every combo of BIOS/EFI/vmxnet3/e1000e/paravirtual/lsi sas to see if one is the cause of the issue but was wondering if anyone else had noticed any issues or if it was just me?

    Thanks



  • 2.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Oct 18, 2018 01:51 PM

    Hi,

    Windows 10 is a problem in this version, microsoft recently released a patch update package in 1809 said the problem was solved.



  • 3.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Oct 18, 2018 05:30 PM

    I know about the issues that forced Microsoft to pull the ISOs originally but I don't think that's the problem here. I patched the vm in question but it's still very, very slow to reboot. (I don't have access to the republished ISOs at the moment)

    When I reboot, see the windows logo, the spinning dots for a second and then just the logo for several minutes. When I check esxtop I see this:

    cpu (c):

    NAME             NWLD   %USED %RUN    %SYS   %WAIT %VMWAIT    %RDY %IDLE  %OVRLP   %CSTP %MLMTD  %SWPWT

    win1809slow        10 211.90  171.48    6.02 966.99   55.94    0.39 0.00    3.30    0.00 0.00    0.00

    disk device (u):

    WQLEN ACTV QUED %USD  LOAD CMDS/s  READS/s WRITES/s MBREAD/s MBWRTN/s DAVG/cmd KAVG/cmd GAVG/cmd QAVG/cmd?

    64     - 0    0    0 0.00  3649.39  3647.17 2.23     1.78     0.01     0.11     0.00     0.11      0.00

    vm disk (v)

    all zeros!

    For some reason the disk seems to stop all io, the cpu goes very high and the datastore it's on gets a ton of reads but the VM is almost stuck. This is only affecting win 10 1809. Any other OS built the same way on the same server/storage is fine.



  • 4.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Oct 18, 2018 06:41 PM

    I think I found the problem: snapshots! I was building my new templates and had snapshots so I could undo a mistake without having to start over. For some reason Windows 10 1809 really doesn't like snapshots. As long as there's no snaps everytihng is fine. If I take a snap and reboot, the time it takes is noticebly longer.

    ESXi 6.5 U1 seems to be the worst.

    ESXi 6.7 seems better by comparison

    ESXi 6.0 seems like it might not be affected (but this is on another environment)

    I did a test by installing without having a snap and it was fast.

    Rebooted right after and it was fast

    Shutdown and took a snapshot (the only one) then powered on and noticeably slower.

    Maybe there's an advanced setting I can play with but again, this problem didn't happen on Server 2019. ANy ideas?

    My users take a bunch of snapshots as part of their tests so yes, this is going to be an issue for me



  • 5.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Nov 16, 2018 12:21 AM

    Still fighting with this one but it might be snapshot and VMFS6 related. Same host, two different datastores on the same SAN. One formatted with VMFS5, the other VMFS6.

    Create a new VM, take a snapshot and then install the OS (I know this isn't "right" but for the test, it's the fastest/easiest way to see the issue).

    Only VMFS6 has the problem and only with windows 10 1809. Still not sure if normal operation is ok or if it's just reboot/startup which is super slow.

    Can anyone else reproduce?



  • 6.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Dec 10, 2018 01:00 PM

    Hi FreddyFredFred, I have the same issue.

    - ESXi, 6.7.0, 10302608

    - Windows 10 1809

    - Storage version VMFS6

    When the VM has snapshots, the boot was very slow.

    I tried all kind of configuration and only found the solution when moved the VM to VMFS5 storage, like you say. Thanks for post the solution! :smileyhappy:



  • 7.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Dec 10, 2018 01:21 PM

    When looking at what's new in VMFS6 the "automatic space reclamation / unmap" feature stands out.

    Maybe that causes the issue ... You can disable it on a per datastore basis. Can you try if that makes a difference?

    Andreas



  • 8.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Dec 10, 2018 02:06 PM

    I tried a datastore with both auto unmap enabled and disabled and it made no difference.



  • 9.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Dec 10, 2018 02:08 PM

    I have a case open with VMware. I'm waiting on the guy to get a lab setup with a VMFS6 datastore to try and repro the issue so they can maybe fix it.



  • 10.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Dec 17, 2018 08:57 PM

    FreddyFredFred,

    I have the exact same issue, this only started happening after I upgraded from 1803  to 1809, same issue with a fresh install. I am also using VMFS6.

    Also upgraded from 6.5 U1 to 6.7, same issue. Has support responded yet ?

    My work-around is to remove all snapshots... VM loads just fine.



  • 11.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Dec 17, 2018 11:46 PM

    Still waiting on VMware to get back to me (the guy assigned to my case had to get a new lab created with VMFS6 datastores because the first one he got was VMFS5 and we couldn't repro the issue). Hopefully I'll hear back this week.

    I know the reboots are super slow but does it affect using the VM as well once it's loaded? I'm just making templates and not really doing much inside the VM but it didn't notice anything once the vm was booted.



  • 12.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Dec 18, 2018 02:51 PM

    Same issue here running ESX 6.7 Update 1 and VMFS6 Datastores.

    It does affect usage after bootup. And it seems it gets exponentially worse with more snapshots on the machine.

    On one of my test machines had 1 Snapshot (turned off) and 1 snapshot (turned on). Tried a silent installation of firefox, which usually takes about 15 seconds.

    It took 3-4 Minutes on 1809 (reproduceable).



  • 13.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Dec 21, 2018 08:32 PM

    Exact same issue here.  Boots fast without snapshots.  Runs fine once up.  Problem for me is that I was going to test it with View and snapshots are needed for images.  I can't have a user waiting two minutes for their machine to startup.  They already like to complain about being virtual.



  • 14.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Dec 27, 2018 09:01 PM

    Same exact issue.

    Win 10 1809 on VMFS 6 with 6 snaps... SLOW boot... (Horizon IC Image)

    Moved the Win 10 and snapshots to a VMFS 5 datastore.. 8-second boot.



  • 15.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 04, 2019 11:48 AM

    Just an update for anyone interested...

    I got an email from VMware saying they have an ongoing bug which matches my issue and they are waiting for an update from engineering.

    Not the solution we all want but at least things are happening (not as fast as we would all hope but at least they seem to admit there is an issue that needs fixing)



  • 16.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 04, 2019 04:11 PM

    Are you using EFI boot or BIOS mode for your master image? I do see the same problem with EFI mode. Moving to VMFS5 datastore does not resolve it for me with EFI mode.

    Windows 10 1809 LTSC, vSphere 6.7, Horizon 7.6, AppVolumes 2.15

    Here is what I'm seeing

    EFI mode. 2 snapshots

    VMFS6 - Boot time 3 minutes

    VMFS5 - Boot time 3 minutes

    BIOS Mode. 2 snapshots

    VMFS6 - Boot time 1 minute 35 seconds

    VMFS5 - Boot time 8 seconds



  • 17.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 04, 2019 05:08 PM

    Going from memory at this point but I think I saw it with both BIOS and EFI. Maybe BIOS was a bit better but still not what it should be.



  • 18.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 21, 2020 01:14 AM

    Hi Fredy,

          thanks for the update.  I am also running into this issue, and it would much appreciated if you share any additional information you may find from VMware.

    Thanks,

    Vinay



  • 19.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Apr 30, 2020 03:53 PM

    Just wanted to say here that after a long night of troubleshooting, our issues were solved by putting all the disks for our composer clones on a SATA controller instead of the LSi one.

    Machines went from freezing on boot to 20 second startups on Win 10 1910.

    Tested on ESXi 7.0 and 6.7U3, using Horizon 7.11 and vCenter 7.0

    Thanks



  • 20.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted May 07, 2020 06:45 AM

    I'm correct to say,  you change the controller on master image to SATA?



  • 21.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Aug 12, 2020 04:43 AM

    I tried the same thing on one of my linked clone VDIs:

    -Win10 1909 VM

    -ESXi 6.5

    -Horizon 7.9

    -VMFS 5 Datastore (It was on VMFS 6 previously, I changed to a VMFS 5 on another suggestion from someone, it may have helped slightly but still was taking far too long for a simple reboot)

    Changed the virtual disk to bind to a SATA controller instead of the default LSI SAS controller. Took my boot time from 15 min+ to 15 seconds. I'll be changing the master image to the same config and test with an entire pool.

    UPDATE:

    After changing the controller on the master image to a SATA controller, my VMs got stuck in the customizing state indefinitely. After a frustrating all nighter, several hours on the phone with VMware (who blamed my version of Win10 and Horizon), and totally rebuilding my image, I figured out, in my case at least, I HAD to have a SCSI controller added to the parent image, even if my disk was attached to the SATA controller.



  • 22.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted May 13, 2020 09:36 PM

    The test vm (SATA or LSI controller) is on a vmfs 6 store AND has a snapshot?



  • 23.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 11, 2019 10:30 PM

    Having the same issue here - Win10 1809 x64 Gold VM (master) reboots just fine, typically less than 30 seconds (around 26 seconds). However, all linked clone VM's (we have VMWare Advanced licensing, so no instant cloning, UEM, etc.) are taking upwards of 20-30 minutes.

    We're running:

    x5 ESXi 6.7. U1 hosts

    Horizon 7.5.1

    Tested with both EFI and BIOS Win10 1809; I have a support ticket in with VMWare, but it's been difficulting connecting at the same time. It sounds like someone else on here has a support ticket open, and they've escalated it to engineering and are waiting a response? If anyone has any input it'd be greatly appreciated. As it stands now, reboot a Win10 VM is taking far too long to fully boot to the login screen.



  • 24.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 12, 2019 12:15 AM

    I have a ticket open for a while now and the last communication I got from VMware was on Tuesday saying: "VMWare Engineering team is currently working with Microsoft to root cause the issue and provide a fix."

    Previous to that they I got an email saying they have a bug matching my issue and are working on it.



  • 25.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 14, 2019 05:14 PM

    Thanks for the info, good to know - we've built a new Win10 gold VM in View, and are going to test with it. I'll let you know how it turns out.



  • 26.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 31, 2019 11:48 PM

    FreddyFredFred do you have a PR or SR that you can share? I'm going to lean on my account team for a status update.



  • 27.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Feb 01, 2019 12:51 AM

    Last I heard from support was 2 weeks ago and was told VMware and Microsoft were still working on finding the root cause. I've just asked for another update and will post back with what they say. I've they don't give me anything useful I'll consider sharing the SR.



  • 28.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Feb 01, 2019 05:04 PM

    FreddyFredFred

    If you could share your SR or PR I would really appreciate it. That will allow my account team to look it up and check the status.



  • 29.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Feb 01, 2019 10:44 PM

    My SR is 19058118801. The PR was not given to me as I was told that it is confidential



  • 30.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Feb 04, 2019 11:13 AM

    Hi,

    we are running this problem now very long (native, in VDI, ....) and had SR with VMware and Microsoft.

    Today i get informed by VMware that they found something new in Build 1809 thats called "VSCSIExecuteGetLBAStatus" that causing the problem.

    Now Microsoft ist aked for an workaround before they fix this issue. Lets hope MS is working from now on this Bug!

    Andy



  • 31.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Feb 14, 2019 07:19 AM

    Hi all,

    hopefully good news.

    VMware called Microsoft stopp working on this issue, cause they found something in VMFS6 whats going wrong, and allready working on an Hotfix comming out soon.

    Andy



  • 32.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Feb 18, 2019 10:53 AM

    Hi There,

    I also have this problem with VMware Horizon 7.7 in VCenter 6.7 using a Windows 10 Template Version 1803 and using View Composer. After a restart command the VDI took about 10-15min to restart.

    Initially my datastore was in VMFS6, now is on VMFS5 but this symptoms remains.

    Does anyone have the solution, or the solution is to wait for Microsoft?

    Thank you.



  • 33.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Feb 18, 2019 11:07 AM

    This is probably a different issue, I'd post this on the Horizon community, but I suggest trying to make a new parent follwing the steps in this vmware page

    Creating an Optimized Windows Image for a VMware Horizon Virtual Desktop | VMware



  • 34.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Feb 18, 2019 02:04 PM

    Hi

    Yes I have followed this guide line to build my custom image without any success, I think that the vdi boot was even worse so I reverted.



  • 35.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 17, 2019 02:29 AM

    We also experienced this issue on ESX6.5/ VMFS 6 and Win 1809. Moving back to VMFS 5 datastores fixed the issue. Hopefully VMware will resolve this soon



  • 36.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 18, 2019 09:40 PM

    Hello everyone,

    I have an update to share on this - it may be fairly "wordy" (I know that's not a word), but here goes....

    Issue

    Linked-clone Windows 10 VM's take a considerable amount of time (5-30 minutes, depending) to complete a guest OS restart cycle.

    Troubleshooting

    To make a long story short, I eventually noticed that disk IO was ZERO during a Windows 10 VM restart - it zero's out until the VM gets to the Windows 10 logo with the spinning circles, then the disk IO suddenly spikes once it gets to the login screen. From this, I began to look at disk configuration settings directly on the VM (vSphere -> right-click VM -> edit). I noticed the disk was using LSI SAS. I reviewed event logs, and noticed (on several Win10 VM's I tested with) there was a 10+ minute span of time with LSI_SAS event warnings. From there, I created a brand new Windows 10 master/gold VM using Paravirtual SCSI instead of LSI SAS. I then sanitized the mast VM and created a new pool - the Win10 linked-clone VM's are now down to 5 minute restarts. Much better, but still not great by any means.

    We then noticed that the .vmdk on the VM (all the linked-clone VM's, in fact) was using a "vmname.checkpoint.vmdk" - this "checkpoint" in the .vmdk indicates it's using a snapshot from the master VM. After many hours of testing, we found a sort of fix/workaround....

    Fix

    If you:

    1. Shut down the VM and migrate the storage (storage only)

    2. Select configure per disk

    3. Change the storage datastore for each disk on the VM, click Next, let it complete (may take anywhere from a few minutes to several, depending on disk size)

    4. You should then have an alert on the VM indicating a consolidation is needed

    5. Right-click the VM -> Snapshots -> Consolidate

    6. Once the consolidation is finished, right click the VM - notice that you can now change the disk size (if needed)

    7. Power up the VM, log in, and restart

    The restart time is now down to under 30 seconds (I've seen it as low as 7-8 seconds). I tested this using thick and thin disk provisioning, and either one didn't seem to make a difference. With 100% certainity (at least in my case) it has to do with the VM running off a "checkpoint.vmdk" disk - once the VM's disk is pointed back to its own self-named .vmdk, the restart issue is resolved.

    Now to provide some additional context to this:

    In vSphere, I create a new VM, set configuration options, point to an .iso, power up VM and proceed through our imaging process. Once this is complete, I log into the VM using a domain admin account, configure the OS, sanitize (prep it for cloning), and take a single snapshot.

    I then create (or edit) a View pool (for Win10 testing they have all been persisten/dedicated pool's) which provisioning VM's off the snap from that new gold VM. Something interesting during this composing process I noticed earlier today - when the linked-clone (we unfortunately do not have licensing for instant clones) is being provisioned, I noticed the disk being used is its own named "vmname.vmdk" - great! However, once provisioning is complete, the disk changes to "vmname.checkpoint.vmdk"

    Anyone have any insight into why that occurs? Why wouldn't the cloned VM just continue to use it own named .vmdk? Any helpful answer on that would be much appreciated!

    At any rate, we're able to fix/work around the Win10 restart slowness by, again, migrating the VM's storage only, to a new datastore, consolidate under snapshots, power up VM, and BAM - fixed.

    I hope all of this makes sense - if anyone is still experiencing Win10 restart slowness and is able to try this storage migration/consolidate process, please give it a try and let me know the result. So far it's been consisten for me, but I'd like to hear about what others experience is.

    This almost feels like a possible bug in vCenter or View somewhere, but I can't say for sure - anyone with VMWare have any thoughts to share?

    Also, fwiw, we're running a Pure storage array (not vSAN) with plenty of space available and excellent dedupe. Also, we're using EFI (though I've tried EFI and BIOS, neither seems to make a difference, as far as restart times are concerned).

    -Nathan



  • 37.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 22, 2019 02:36 PM

    I've never used View but based on your comments and especially the comment in step 6 (you can expand the hard drive), it sounds like you essentially removed the snapshot on the vm which is the fix to make things fast again. Maybe there's a bug in VIew or maybe it's working as designed but it's never been noticed before because 1809 is the first version with this issue.



  • 38.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Aug 09, 2019 01:14 PM

    Nathan,

    I am experiencing the same issue but using Insta clone, will this resolution work with Insta Clone as well?



  • 39.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Aug 09, 2019 03:07 PM

    I'm not sure, we unfortunately do not have licensing to use instant clones.



  • 40.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Aug 09, 2019 03:13 PM

    I'm not to 1809 yet in our Horizon Deployment, but from my understanding of the issue, it wouldn't matter if its in instant clone or not.



  • 41.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 23, 2019 04:18 PM

    Horizon 7.6

    ESXi 6.5 P03

    Nimble

    I can confirm at least in this environment that migrating an 1809 VM with BIOS from VMFS5 to VMFS6 increased the boot time to 11 seconds for me. Previously it was at least 5 min.

    This is WITH snapshots still existing.



  • 42.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 23, 2019 04:40 PM

    Is that a linked-clone VM using a checkpoint.vmdk disk?



  • 43.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 23, 2019 05:57 PM

    On most of my tests I was building a base for Linked clones, so the tests were just booting up configuring the base.

    Though, I did just create some linked clones from it to test the boot up there. On VMFS6 it takes the over 5 min boot up. Migrating those linked clones to VMFS5 decreases that greatly but to about 20-30 seconds.

    Side note: I am having a different problem though so not sure if that is what is causing the discrepancy between the bootup time for the base and the clones. When logging into the Linked Clones I am getting an error that Windows has created a temporary paging file. Working with VMware on that since I am configuring the paging file in the same way I have done all along. And in 1803 KB4480976 breaks the Paging file on clones, and reverting back to KB4480966 makes it work again.



  • 44.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Broadcom Employee
    Posted Jan 26, 2019 10:55 AM

    Could everyone post the SR numbers, plus provide more info about the storage?

    Anyone using Intel 3xxx/4xxx (non Optane) backed local/VSAN storage?



  • 45.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 29, 2019 11:41 AM

    3par storage (all flash) for me. will PM you the SR #



  • 46.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jul 10, 2019 01:43 PM

    Is this an issue in 6.7?



  • 47.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 29, 2019 11:35 AM

    Same for me guys on 1809

    VWFS6 Pure storage



  • 48.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 29, 2019 04:21 PM

    We're running Pure storage on VMFS5

    So, something else interesting I've learned as of late - from research, speaking with VMWare support engineers, and then directly with some inside customer success/engineer VMWare contacts, is they have all recommended basically the same thing: try using Windows 10 1803 or switch to Windows 10 *LTSC (formally known as *LTSB).

    We're currently running Semi-Annual Channel 1809 - The problem with LTSC is that certain features of Windows are disabled/turned off, of which some of those we want to use. Even the features that will supposedly slow down boot times, we have many of those disabled via group policy any way. So here's the thing: Windows 10 LTSC just released last November (11.13.18), which is version 1809 OS Build 17763.292 - that's the EXACT same OS Build & version we're running right now, using Semi-Annual Channel. Does that mean even if I switch to LTSC 1809, I'll have the same issues?

    Well, I asked that question, and the response was basically to use LTSB - however, the last version of that was released August 2nd 2016 - yes, there have been revisions as recent as January 17th of this year, but we want to be on a version of Windows 10 that's more recent, not three years ago.

    As for running Win10 1803, the only release for that is on Semi-Annual Channel and there is no release for 1803 that falls under LTSB/LTSC, so it that even worth trying?

    I've also heard that the reason for running Windows 10 LTSB (which is version 1607), is that it's been out for sometime and is far more compatible and works much better with Horizon View - basically, the way in which Microsoft releases Win10 Versions / OS Builds (which I personally have no problem with, I think it's great) creates difficulty in VMWare keeping up with builds of their products when it comes to compatibility with Windows 10.

    LTSB = Long-term Servicing Branch, which has been switched to....

    LTSC = Long-term Servicing Channel

    (basically, they're the same thing)

    For reference: Windows 10 - release information | Microsoft Docs



  • 49.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 31, 2019 09:19 AM

    Just chiming in, we're experiencing the same.

    vCenter 6.7.0.20000

    ESXi 6.5u2 (8285314)

    Horizon 7.6

    VMFS 6

    EMC XtremIO

    Happens on both Windows 10 1809 Enterprise N and Windows 10 LTSC 2019 (1809 LTSC).

    I noticed this when I snapped the templates I were building off of 1809. Boot time goes up by 2-4 minutes (it varies), and it gets exponentially longer the more times you snapshot the VM.

    Didn't attempt doing any linked or instant clones yet before I saw this thread, so I don't know how those will fare.



  • 50.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jan 31, 2019 11:47 PM

    We are in the same boat. LTSB/LTSC is not an option due to our needs. We are currently on 1703 and planning to move to 1809 although this issue might impact that. The Q3/Q4 releases like 1709 and 1809 carry a longer support window from Microsoft so I think they are preferable over LTSB/LTSC.



  • 51.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Feb 26, 2019 12:57 AM

    I'm also having the same issue so I'm replying to get in on this thread so I can follow what's going on.



  • 52.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Feb 28, 2019 06:13 AM

    Hi everyone,

    we have the same Problem.

    Any new response from VMWare?

    vCenter: v6.7u1

    ESXi: v6.5u3 and v6.7u1

    VMFS: VMFS6



  • 53.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 04, 2019 04:24 AM

    What I've been told is that until a fix is available use VMFS5 or avoid snapshots if you must use VMFS6.



  • 54.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 04, 2019 03:54 PM

    Hello,

    VMware has fixed the issue with vmfs6 and Windows 10/2019 Build 1809 on vSphere 6.5 and 6.7,

    BUT the Fix will on the market with the next major release first, will comming out End Q2!!!

    We'll get a Hotpatch for vSphere 6.5, but still have to wait for this 6 - 8 weeks );-(.

    Andy



  • 55.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 08, 2019 11:35 AM

    So Folk,

    Hotpatch was delivered just two hours ago,

    In my Lab Systemes on vmfs6 are now nearly so quick then systems on vmfs5, not perfekt but much better.

    Now planing to roll out the Hotpatch on small plattforms to see whats happens.

    Andy



  • 56.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 08, 2019 12:10 PM

    Hi Andreas,

    Glad to know! Next Monday I will try also and check if my problem was solved.

    Thanks for the reply.



  • 57.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 08, 2019 12:16 PM

    Were do we find this hot patch?



  • 58.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 09, 2019 10:19 AM

    Hi all,

    this Hotpatch (not Hotfix) is not public, its only deliviered to us, cause it was made based on our SR and logs.

    But this Hotpatch will come in 6.5 U3 End Q2 on the market for public.

    Ask by VMware maybe the will give you this Hotpatch too.

    Andy



  • 59.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 15, 2019 06:03 PM

    I opened a ticket and my support rep is giving me the run around regarding obtaining the hotpatch. To make things worse, I just patched all my ESXi hosts and now the issue seems to be worse

    1809 VM on a VMFS6 datastore takes 51 minutes to boot up (prior to patching it was 6 minutes)

    1803VM on same datastore takes 21 seconds.

    It's now become unusable. This is not production (yet) but I don't want to wait until end of Q2 for the fix if a hotpatch exists.



  • 60.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 15, 2019 06:55 PM

    We are just going to stick with VMFS5 as we don't see any benefit of VMFS6 in our environment. Since you are not in production, I would give that shot.



  • 61.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 18, 2019 02:26 PM

    A patch for 6.7 might take even longer (like towards Q3 or Q4 2019) if what I'm being told is correct. The more people complain, the better the chances of getting it sooner i suppose. A hotfix exists for 6.5 but not sure if they have one for 6.7 but I think it depends on the build you're running anyway. Once you apply the hotfix, you can't apply normal vmware patches on top of it I think.



  • 62.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 08, 2019 09:38 PM

    X2, where can I download the patch from and is there a patch ID?



  • 63.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 09, 2019 04:04 AM

    vCenter - 6.7.0 10244857

    vSphere - 6.7 10302608

    VMFS6 - 8 Snapshots - Windows 10 1809 - Boot time 8-9 Minutes

    VMFS5 - 8 Snapshots - Windows 10 1809 - Boot time - 40 Seconds

    Following thread and waiting for hot fix.



  • 64.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 18, 2019 07:37 PM

    I opened an SR today and was told that there is no hotfix, and the hotfix that was available was pulled.  The tech said I have to wait for U3 which is supposed to be released by the end of Q2.  I don't know how my users can wait that long.

    All of my datastores are VMFS5 and they have the slow boot issue.



  • 65.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 21, 2019 02:44 PM

    We are experiencing the same issue on an ongoing project on vSphere 6.7 11675023 and VMFS.

    Windows 10 1809 as master image for Instant Clones and QA VMs

    Horizon 7.7, AppVolume 2.15. UEM 9.6, NSX 6.4.4, the whole package

     

    Boot time are about on average to get the logon screen

    EFI + 0 Snap = 20s

    EFI + 1 Snap = 2m11 to 5-10m

    Opened an SR with VMware

     

    Could it be the Windows 10 Task to defrag and trim/unmap causing this? Noticed that after creation of the first snapshot that boot times do not increase right away, example from 20s to about 40s but after running the task manually then now boot time jumped into the minutes range.



  • 66.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 21, 2019 06:12 PM

    It's not related to defrag. The lenth of time it takes to boot seems related to the number and/or size of the snapshot(s).

    When you ran defrag the snapshot grew so your next reboot took a long time.

    I was told there is supposed to be a KB coming out within the next week or two but it's not going to tell us anything we don't know. From what I was told, the fix for 6.7 is going to be out later than 6.5. Hopefully vmware will release it sooner though.

    For VDI users this might be fixed via an update to some component of Horizon View and you may not have to wait for an updated ESXi version. I don't use VDI so don't know any more than that.



  • 67.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 24, 2019 05:11 PM

    Out of interest guys - How are you finding the performance once the VM's have booted up? - I'm finding both Server 2019 and Windows 1809 (with the latest updates) are sluggish opening up explorer, settings menu etc.

    Also - seamless apps published through a Citrix Server 2019 VDA are also a lot more sluggish in comparison with my 2012 R2 VDA's.

    Chris



  • 68.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 26, 2019 07:13 AM

    This is official response from VMware about this issue.

    I've analyzed your issue and could see that this is a known issue that has been already identified and has been informed to our Engineering team.

    The issue is identified to be due to some guest OS behavior change in this version of windows 10, 1809 w.r.t thin provisioned disks and snapshots, this has been confirmed as a bug and will be fixed in the following releases - 6.5 U3 and 6.7U3, which will be released within End of this year (2019).

    Please let us know if you have any further queries.

    They are basically saying that we cannot upgrade to 1809 this year and have to wait next release :smileygrin:



  • 69.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 26, 2019 03:24 PM

    Hi shayrulah​, thanks for the info!

    @vmware employees reading this... We have just rebuild our entire image base on v1809, running on ESXi, 6.5.0. and are in the process of moving this into production. A lot of time went into this process. Waiting for end of 2019 for a fix is a no go! I do hope you release a hotfix for this issue.



  • 70.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 28, 2019 11:45 AM

    Dear VMware Team,

    I've spotted exactly the same problem here at several Customers.

    Please release the Hotfix as soon as possible.

    Jens



  • 71.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Apr 23, 2019 05:08 PM

    Escalation manager told me the same thing.  They know about it and engineering is working to have it patched in U3.  No ETA.



  • 72.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jun 03, 2019 07:17 PM

    I don't see any information about vSphere 6.0 update 3 or any other build versions of 6.0.  Can anyone chime in if this Build 1809 problem is happening on 6.0u3 and/or specific builds of 6.0u3?

    We're prepping our upgrade from Build 1709 to 1809 in our VDI environment, but this would be a game breaker for a few of our linked clone pools if snapshots take 2x longer to boot.



  • 73.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jun 03, 2019 08:13 PM

    Has anyone tried 1903 to see if it's the same issue?



  • 74.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jun 06, 2019 06:15 PM

    Answered my own question.... It's still an issue in 1903. Blank OS boots up in 15 seconds. Added one snapshot and it went up to 1 minute 45 seconds. Didn't bother building an image with it.



  • 75.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jun 13, 2019 04:18 PM

    Thanks, this is helpful to know - we're using Win10 1809 still, with VMFS5 and vSphere 6.7 U1, and still have the horrible boot slowness. a Full Win10 VM boots just fine, but the moment you take a snap or provision linked-clone VM's from that initial VM, the boot times on those linked clones are 15-30 minutes, every time you restart one of them.



  • 76.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jun 03, 2019 08:53 PM

    I don't see any information about vSphere 6.0 update 3 or any other build versions of 6.0.  Can anyone chime in if this Build 1809 problem is happening on 6.0u3 and/or specific builds of 6.0u3?

    The problem happens with VMFS 6 and that's only supported as of vsphere 6.5. If you're still on vsphere 6.0 then you're running VMFS5 so you should be ok....



  • 77.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 28, 2019 04:57 PM

    Chiming in that we see this same issue as well with ESXi 5.5 (I know, we need to upgrade, it's why I got hired) with Windows Server 2019. Removing snapshots doesn't help, but our symptoms (long boot times, laggy mouse in console, etc) are all identical to what people here are saying. I'd be great if (in the next month or two) when we upgrade to ESXi 6.7, there is already a fix for this.



  • 78.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Mar 29, 2019 01:48 PM

    Screw the Windows 10 updates. With each update, they manage to slow the machine down even more.



  • 79.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Apr 05, 2019 11:59 AM

    Hi,

    Any update on the patch ?
    I am facing similar kind of issues over here.



  • 80.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Apr 05, 2019 03:12 PM

    Well, I know View 7.8 has released but I haven't had a lot of time to fully review all the release notes, but the highlights of this release do not appear to mention anything about Windows 10 performance (though again, I still need to review all the release notes).

    I'm also curious to know if agent 7.8 will resolve the persona issues we've experienced since 7.5 released (where persona won't sync correctly, and keeps office applications from launching / other oddities on the VM).



  • 81.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Apr 05, 2019 07:33 PM

    @nschilp This is a specific vsphere issue, any persona sync issues are different. You may want to post directly in the horizon sub forum about that.



  • 82.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Apr 09, 2019 03:52 PM

    Correct, was just mentioning it - we're still experiencing extremely log boot times and slugglishness on our Windows 10 1809 VM's - whether persistent or non-persistent.

    The only way I can fix the boot time issue, is by migrating the storage for the VM, which then prompts to consolidate the snap (there are no snaps), and once consolidated, the VM boots within 5 seconds.



  • 83.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Apr 09, 2019 09:07 PM

    Is this on VMFS 5 or 6 datastores?



  • 84.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Apr 09, 2019 09:10 PM

    VMFS 5 datastores (using Pure storage)



  • 85.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Apr 11, 2019 05:27 AM

    I would suggest opening a SR with VMware and possibly Pure. I mention Pure because they have high quality support with back channels to VMware if need be.



  • 86.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Apr 16, 2019 07:58 AM

    Hi All,

    We also faced same issue (hanging VMs, slow startup) and were able to fix issue with this:

    Windows 10 1809 VDI may become "Agent Unreachable" state if the High Precision Event Timer (HPET) is disabled. (67175)

    https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/67175



  • 87.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted May 14, 2019 12:24 PM

    So I am having the same issue and reading up. I am running ESXi v6.7U2 and Windows 10 takes forever (at least 15 min) to boot. I got excited when I say the note about changing the one flag, but when I went to add it, It was already there and set to true so it must not fix everyone. I ended up removing all the snapshots and it started booting faster. I would have though that snapshots would be transparent to windows so I am not sure how windows broke it. I guess I will just live without snapshots or move to v5 VMFS



  • 88.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jun 07, 2019 02:11 PM

    Glad to see there is a lengthy thread on this, I thought I was just losing my mind. For the record, migrating the VM to another data store and then consolidating does seem to have improved boot times significantly. I'll have to keep this in mind when we recompose in the future as a temporary workaround rather than sitting on my hands for half an hour for the VM to start.



  • 89.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jun 09, 2019 05:34 AM

    Start of VMs with Windows 10 version 1809 running on snapshots on VMFS6 takes a long time and Without snapshots there should be no performance problems.

    Workaround is to use VMFS5 or NFS Datastore. Issue to be fixed in a future ESXi release for 6.5 and 6.7 (Q3 2019) .

    Regards,

    AJ



  • 90.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jun 13, 2019 05:42 PM

    I can confirm, this is still not working correctly with Windows 10 1903 and all the latest updates for Esxi 6.7 with VMFS 6, completely unusable.



  • 91.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jun 14, 2019 10:18 AM

    Same problem here:

    VMware ESXi, 6.7.0, 13644319

    VMFS 6

    Storage connected via fiberchannel

    Windows 1803: normal boot

    Windows 1809 with snapshots: slow boot

    Linked Clones (and golden image) with Windows 1809: slow boot

    It is a very annoying situation that VMware let's its customers down in this case :-(



  • 92.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jun 17, 2019 02:12 PM

    We created a datastore VMFS5 and it soon solved the problem.  Any prediction of vSphere 6.7 U3?

    Thanks!



  • 93.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jun 19, 2019 05:54 AM

    Issue to be fixed in a future ESXi release for 6.5 and 6.7 . ETA might be (Q3 2019) .



  • 94.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jun 23, 2019 07:34 AM

    Not sure what is different on mine but I created a VMFS 5 data store and composed a new set of VMs on this data store but have not noticed any significant difference in boot times (Win 10 1803). Still seems to hang for upwards of 20 minutes just spinning at the Windows splash screen.



  • 95.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jun 24, 2019 03:49 PM

    Thanks for this info - exact same issue we're experiencing. Doesn't matter if it's Win 10 1803, 1809, or 1903 - VMFS5 of VMFS6, using Pure Storage or vSAN. I also completely left out Horizon and just composed a Win10 VM in vSphere from a template, and THAT helped. It seems if you create all dedicated Win10 VM's from a template (which won't have associate snaps) the issue is fixed, but that's only a workaround (if you have the host resources).



  • 96.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jul 02, 2019 11:46 PM

    So 6.5u3 dropped, however i still don't see this fixed in the resolved section, anyone else?



  • 97.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jul 02, 2019 11:57 PM

    I see this in the release notes which seems like the issue in question:

    PR 2292798: Virtual machines with Microsoft Windows 10 version 1809 might start slowly or stop responding during the start phase if they are running on a VMFS6 datastore

    If a virtual machine is with Windows 10 version 1809, has snapshots, and runs on a VMFS6 datastore, the virtual machine might either start slowly or stop responding during the start phase.

    This issue is resolved in this release.



  • 98.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jul 03, 2019 08:30 AM

    We installed 6.5 U3 (Build 13932383) today and all VDI desktops feel snappier. Overall feeling with me and my colleagues is that this update also improved performance for us.

    Our floating desktops are stored on local VMFS 6 SSD storage.

    We were not affected by the slow boot issue so i can't say if this update indeed fixed that.

    Edit: we did some measurements and logintimes on average dropped from about 30sec to 20sec!



  • 99.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Aug 13, 2019 11:39 PM

    what version of w10 are you running?  non-persistent linked clones?



  • 100.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Aug 21, 2019 12:58 AM

    ESXi 6.7 Update 3 was just released. Has anyone tested this yet to see if the the slowness is gone with VMFS6 datastores?



  • 101.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Aug 21, 2019 03:34 AM

    at the bottom of page 6, summacollege reported that 6.5u3 did fix this issue, no reports of anyone with 6.7u3 reporting from what i can tell



  • 102.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Oct 28, 2019 11:34 PM

    There is no mention in summacollege's post that the vm's have a snapshot.  This quote slowness in boot up is a vm, windows 10, with a snapshot, that is stored on vmfs 6.



  • 103.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Aug 21, 2019 04:31 PM

    We're getting the updated scheduled (probably a week or two out), and I will report back on findings once that's done.



  • 104.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Aug 22, 2019 05:18 AM

    We installed the update yesterday and now the virtual machines are booting very fast. Finally VMWare solved it with the released update.



  • 105.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Aug 22, 2019 11:55 AM

    Thanks for the update, we

    We can now start planning the upgrade of our linked clone desktops to Windows version1809.



  • 106.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Sep 12, 2019 12:22 PM

    I,ve upgarde mine vca an a esxi host to 6.7u3, and place an windows 2016 server om it.

    When i shut down this vm it takes log (5 minutes) before vcneter shows the status poweroff.

    And when i start this vm through vcenter, it takes more than5 minutes before the system starts.

    i'am using chrome en the html5 vsphere client.

    All mine storage is on iscsi vmfs6 volumes.

    is this a bug with esxi6.7u3 and windows servers?

    Regards,



  • 107.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Sep 12, 2019 12:33 PM

    i put the vm (Windows 2016 server) back to mine old cluster(esxi6.7u1b) and it start and stop very fast.[vcenter=6.7u3]

    i think this is a bug in 6.7u3 for windows 2016 servers.

    any help or idea is welcome.



  • 108.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Aug 22, 2019 03:23 PM

    I updated one host to 6.5u3 and linked clones don't seem any faster.  Still have 3 more to do.  I wonder if the whole cluster has to be upgraded for the fix to take effect, anyone know?



  • 109.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Aug 23, 2019 03:30 PM

    We just upgraded to ESXi 6.7 to Update 3 - I can confirm this fixed the WIndows 1809 slow boot problem.  We have a floating pool of 75 VM's for a single class, and it took 70 minutes for the pool to recompose yesterday.  After the upgrade, it now took 12 minutes.  I observed roughly a 7 minute boot time before, now its just over a minutes.  Still slow in my book, the next step is to convert to the WIndows 10 1809 with our own customizations to remove bloat - and to switch to the windows 10 1809 for virtual desktops version.  Has anyone tested the 1809 for virtual desktops version in their envrionment?  I would just assume its 1809 with less bloat.  (aka services that are not needed and slow it down)



  • 110.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Oct 28, 2019 11:36 PM

    I was looking for this in virtual center release notes, but as the PR mentioned, it is for ESXi release notes. hmm. Guess i have to update virtual center first just to follow best practice, then esxi.  Thanks for the info.



  • 111.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Nov 01, 2019 10:02 PM

    As previously mentioned, I can confirm with my environment with hosts upgraded to ESXi 6.7 U3 this is indeed resolved:

    "

    PR 2287232: Virtual machines with Microsoft Windows 10 Version 1809 might start slowly or stop responding during the start phase if they are running on a VMFS6 datastore

    If a virtual machine is with Windows 10 Version 1809, has snapshots, and runs on a VMFS6 datastore, the virtual machine might either start slowly or stop responding during the start phase.

    "

    I have windows 10 1903 vm's.  Built on vmfs 6 storage. vm hardward 15, tools 10.3.10 or 11.0.  Multiple snapshots.  No delays in widows boot time.  Instant Clone deployments work perfectly fine.



  • 112.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jul 16, 2019 03:05 PM

    Experiencing this in ESXi 6.5 U2 with VMFS6. We are looking to determine whether or not this will be resolved in ESXi 6.7, either U2 or the upcoming U3.



  • 113.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jul 17, 2019 06:19 AM

    New  vcenter update doesn't fix it. Booting time is up to 5-6 minutes on VMFS5.

    Still waiting for the fix..



  • 114.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jul 30, 2019 03:49 PM

    Anyone know when ESXi 6.7 Update 3 is going to be released which rumor has fixes this problem?



  • 115.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Aug 27, 2019 03:46 AM

    anyone seening problems with w10 1809 blue screen'ing on restart?  it takes about 5 minutes (random vm's) sometimes when i issue a restart.  upgraded all hosts to 6.5u3, the vm's were not re-created, not sure if this matters or not.  i run citrix xendesktop so the vm's are not re-created on restart / shutdown as i believe they are in horizon.  eventually they do reboot, but it takes about 5 mins, startup is about 90s i'd say, not exactly fast, but not too slow either.  storage is all ssd array

    PS - this is the bsod error     driver power state failure



  • 116.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Sep 13, 2019 01:23 PM

    Hi,

    We see the same BSOD error message on ESXi 6.0 U3 hosts with VMware Tools 10.3.10 and Windows 10 1809.

    If I understood Horizon support correctly the vCenter team are aware of the problem, I will probably open a SR to confirm this.

    Update:

    It seems VMware Tools 11.0 might have fixed the BSOD issues. So far no BSOD with fully patched Windows 1809 build, and numerous reboots.


    Update2:

    I was wrong... Got BSOD with the Driver Power State Failure message after deploying a new VM from the template I made, with Guest Customization (sysprep).

    Update3:


    VMware debugged the minidump, and it was a known issue that was fixed in VMware Tools 11.0.0.


    Cause :

    • The crash "0x9F DRIVER
           POWER STATE FAILURE" is due to a hang on the PnP power down.
    • It hangs at the USB controller as windows usb hub driver somehow failed to reset port after controller reset.


    Since I was still getting BSOD, I edited the VM and removed the USB Controller (3.0) and now I don't get a BSOD. I've asked VMware to confirm if this can be fixed.

    Update4:
    VMware confirmed there is an issue with VMware Tools 11.0.0, USB Controller (3.0) and Windows 10 1809.

    /Kjell



  • 117.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Oct 18, 2019 03:44 PM

    REF: 

    "removed the USB Controller (3.0) and now I don't get a BSOD. I've asked VMware to confirm if this can be fixed.

    Update4: VMware confirmed there is an issue with VMware Tools 11.0.0, USB Controller (3.0) and Windows 10 1809.

    Did you add a USB 2.0 controller? or just go without one?



  • 118.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Oct 18, 2019 06:22 PM

    Funny, I'm running tools v11, 1809 ltsc, usb 3.0 and not having any issues at all, perhaps it is only with new deploys or something?  tools v11 did fix the logoff issues for me though as the notes state, along with tools crashing every 7 days or so



  • 119.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Oct 18, 2019 06:33 PM

    vmtools 11.0.1 was just released....no mention of any of this in the Release Notes.

    Index of /45848/tools/releases



  • 120.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Nov 20, 2019 08:58 AM

    Same problem here:

    VMware ESXi, 6.7.0, 13981272

    VMFS 6

    Storage connected via fiberchannel

    Windows 1803 with snapshots: normal boot

    Windows 1903 with snapshots: slow boot



  • 121.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Nov 20, 2019 09:28 AM

    Same problem here:

    VMware ESXi, 6.7.0, 13981272

    VMFS 6

    Storage connected via fiberchannel

    Windows 1803 with snapshots: normal boot

    Windows 1903 with snapshots: slow boot

    I am having similar problem. Anyone help me out.



  • 122.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Dec 27, 2019 02:40 PM

    Windows 1909.

    VMFS6

    Same Problem on vSphere ESXi 6.7 U2 and vCenter Appliance 6.7 Update 3a (6.7.0.41000)

    Updating to U3



  • 123.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Dec 27, 2019 03:54 PM

    Upgraded to the last version.

    Did notice a change. That change is reduce in 10-20% that is it. Apparently workaround at first instance- Because when the system boots, it take at least another 10 seconds to bring up VMware tools.

    We are moving to W1803. It is so sad.



  • 124.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Nov 20, 2019 09:55 AM

    Answer from VMware support:

    Would it be possible to follow the workaround reported in the KB article ( https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/67426 )

    Also as per KB article this issue should be fixed in 6.7U3.



  • 125.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jun 09, 2020 11:11 AM

    So did the Patch from VMWare Engineering solve this issue ?



  • 126.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Jul 29, 2020 06:14 AM

    Is there a fix for this or to just move away from 1809 to a later build version?

    Our issue isnt that its slow in performance but Windows 10 just uses so much more CPU than Windows 7 even at idle. Do 1909 or above address this?



  • 127.  RE: windows 10 1809 slow

    Posted Oct 10, 2020 05:44 PM

    We've only recently started using Windows 10 with Horizon and noticed the slow boot. It was only yesterday I figured out that my performance boot time was related to the number of snapshot I had with my Windows 1909 and 2004 image.

    It was only this morning that I Googled and found this discussion only to find out that his boot issue has been going on for quite some time since this post was done on Oct 18, 2018. It's only 8 days away from being 2 years and no resolution

    Anyways I thought I chime in and say that I've been having problems too with 1909 and 2004. I read through and found the KB articles that VMware recommends using the older 1809 image.

    In my tests when using 2004 build. It took about 7 Sec to boot with no Snapshot. Additional snapshots would add about 20-30 sec to the total boot time.

    My environment :
    6.7.0.13006603

    Horizon 7.12 build 15770369

    Storage, Netapp FAS8200,  VMFS6

    All I can say is that I hope they have a fix as this causes massive problems with Horizon and Instant clones. Horizon has a certain threshold limits and requires the OS to boot by a certain time before the provision task fails. Yesterday I thought I had a DHCP problem but it turns out to be Windows 10 taking forever to boot causing it to fail causing a trickling effect.

    Anyways I opened a support with VMware to keep them working on this issue. I know more today about this problem with Windows 10 than when I started. Maybe its time to move back to Windows 7. LOL

    Bob