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ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

Chatswood

ChatswoodOct 16, 2022 11:59 PM

  • 1.  ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 13, 2022 08:17 AM

    Hi,

    With the new release ESXi 8.0 Build 20513097 the tpm activation is shown as warning. This wasn't the case with ESXi7.0U3g - tpm 2.0 activation has been detected flawlessly. The 8.0 installation was on the same machine with preserved vmfs.

    On ESXi Host Client, tpm status is declared as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established.".

    On ESXi Shell, tpm is detected but Drtm is shown as false.

    localcli hardware trustedboot get

    TrustedbootGet:

       Drtm Enabled: false

       Tpm Present: true

     

    /var/log/vmkwarning.log contains some more info about then issue.

    2022-10-13T07:39:57.859Z Wa(180) vmkwarning: cpu7:262437)WARNING: tpmDriver: TPMDriverCheckTPM2:56: TPM 2 TIS interface not active.
    2022-10-13T07:39:57.859Z Wa(180) vmkwarning: cpu7:262437)WARNING: tpmDriver: TPMDriverAttachDevice:202: \_SB_.TPM_: couldn't validate TPM support: Not supported
    2022-10-13T07:39:57.859Z Wa(180) vmkwarning: cpu7:262437)WARNING: Elf: 3156: Kernel based module load of tpmdriver failed: Failure <Mod_LoadDone failed>
    2022-10-13T07:39:57.951Z Al(177) vmkalert: cpu5:262408)ALERT: Jumpstart plugin tpm activation failed.

    Accordingly to the knowledge base https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/2148536 the issue has been solved in prereleases 6.7/7.0.

    There is no indication in the release notes that there is an issue with tpm/drtm, see https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-vSphere/8.0/rn/vmware-vsphere-80-release-notes/index.html .



  • 2.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 14, 2022 02:17 AM

    Same issue here using Ryzen fTPM.  Latest ESXI 7 worked fine.



  • 3.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 14, 2022 05:14 PM

    Same here.

    In my case I installed ESXi 8.0 on a Ryzen test PC, so the hardware is not officially supported. No issues while using ESXi 7.0 though.



  • 4.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 14, 2022 11:28 PM

    Same here on Intel NUC 11.

    ESXi 7.0U3 was working fine.

    Resetting the TPM doesn’t resolve it.



  • 5.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Jun 19, 2023 06:59 PM

    Same for me on my Intel NUC 11's (all three of them). In my case I turned off TPM in the BIOS, although that's hardly the answer, looking for a better one.



  • 6.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Jun 19, 2023 07:01 PM

    Good luck getting better answer.



  • 7.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Jun 19, 2023 07:14 PM

    With respect to https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/compare.html?productIds=205073,205609,205605 , the NUC11TNBv7 is equipped with TPM. This does not help for other flavors though.



  • 8.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 16, 2022 11:59 PM

    Same problem on a Threadripper 3990X



  • 9.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 17, 2022 12:24 PM

    Same issue.

    To recreate this, use the following hardware:

    Ryzen 3900x

    Gigabyte X570S Aero G Motherboard or Asus Strix B450-F Motherboard


    Both have same issues and both work fine with TPM in VMWare ESXI 7.0.3u.

     



  • 10.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 19, 2022 03:27 PM

    Exactly the same error over here, but in my case it is an Intel NUC 11th gen.



  • 11.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 19, 2022 03:44 PM

    Hi,


    A hint, search with "google": Quick Tip - TPM 2.0 connection cannot be established after upgrading to ESXi 8.0


    Regards,
    Ferdinando



  • 12.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 19, 2022 03:56 PM

    From the logs, the entry TPM 2 TIS interface not active correlates to the findings of  , see https://williamlam.com/2022/10/quick-tip-tpm-2-0-connection-cannot-be-established-after-upgrading-to-esxi-8-0.html. He mentions that with respect to Intel NUC an older NUC only is compatible to the actual 8.0 (IA) TPM  2 TIS interface status recognition implementation.

    For better contribution, please add a device classification e.g.

    a) is the device a new model (2022) ? which model and firmware?
    b) is the device with its components on the server compatibility list AND it has the tpm issue ?
    c) are some components supported ? which ones are not on the list?
    d) is the device for homelab purposes only? quantify how many devices

    In my case it's d) 1x hpe 250 g8 (latest bios)



  • 13.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 19, 2022 06:33 PM

    Unfortunately his article doesn’t mention Ryzen fTPM.  I wonder if a drop-in TPM would suffice.



  • 14.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 20, 2022 02:04 AM

    I just ordered a GC-TPM2.0_S TPM Module for my Gigabyte X570S Aero G motherboard. It'll be a while before it gets here, but when it does I'll try it and let others know.



  • 15.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 20, 2022 03:37 AM

    from a market companion analyst view, the choice in VMware ecosystem unfortunately has been reduced.

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors

    This might be a temporary and wrong view as it isn‘t server business.

    Integrating vendor hardware/firmware in virtual hardware version steps -  advertizes the Intel NUC series by strategy. It is more energy saving for developers to focus one vendor product branch. Same e.g. for the vmkusb fling. There is a shortage of skilled workers for such developers.

    just thinking loud.



  • 16.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 20, 2022 11:42 AM

    Hi,


    So, if I have read the article correctly, the point of the speech is that the TPM object your system is equipped with, as implemented, does not conform to some necessary specifications, is not supported and consequently not even used.


    In order to describe the problem we are discussing here the reference to Intel systems called "NUC" is conceptually irrelevant, he owns those not all possible someone else's. So, getting to the point, what does the article say? Or we live with that warning or we disable the incompatibke TPM object.


    Now, let's be practical, products like ESXi do not have the "consumer" market as their reference market but the "business" market with all its own particular needs and that when things don't work as they should it means "losing a pot of money", all the rest (useless) chat. And why on earth would anyone devote time and resources to support non-existent items in the context of their target market?


    Regards,
    Ferdinando



  • 17.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 20, 2022 12:28 PM

    Hi Ferdinando,

    With respect to development cycles of 12-18 months and facing the goals of Project Keswick, the diversity of edge devices imho is important. TPM releases and implementation flavors shall not become a border.

    In 2010 as a system engineer, it was simple to stage Lenovo/Dell/HPE laptops, workstations and small factor devices as ESXi host. Of course, it wasn't supported. The metric of a rich diversity in this area since then is NestedESXi eligibility of devices.

    Most AMD Ryzen flavors weren't/aren't officially supported. So far from the field, an increased number of Intel NUCs have the issue with TPM since ESXi8.0.
    Yes, the TPM object of my 2022 system is equipped with, as implemented, does not conform to some necessary specifications, is not supported and consequently not even used for non-homelab purposes.

    As said, the impression might be totally wrong. Hence, it would be nice to share better feedback with VMware PM. So far, the feedback from the community is somewhat neglectable small.

    Kind regards,
    Daniel



  • 18.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 23, 2022 08:36 PM

    I agree.

    Especially where this TPM in Ryzen CPUs worked in the previous release, without issues...

    Currently working fine in Proxmox as well. I know VMWare is a bit picky about what hardware is supported, but an fTPM built into a CPU, where most OSs require it before they can be installed, should be supported. It shouldn't even be a question to support it, it should just be there, home or enterprise, it doesn't matter.

    Good news though, the hardware TPM for my Gigabyte board is scheduled for delivery tomorrow. If that works, it's a good workaround for now (and even a solution), too bad the prices doubled on these with the release of Windows 11...



  • 19.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 24, 2022 04:21 PM

    Well bad news. The TPM 2.0 module showed up today, but VMWare ESXI 8 still cannot utilize it.

    - Confirmed FTPM is turned off. Saved BIOS - Rebooted

    - BIOS Sees new TPM Module. Enabled for 256 hash.

    - VMWare ESXI 8, does not give a warning about the TPM 2.0, however:

     

    localcli hardware trustedboot get

    TrustedbootGet:

       Drtm Enabled: false

       Tpm Present: true

     

    I see no other options I can try in VMWare ESXI to pass this through, or enable it or anything.

    I started poking around on the BIOS and enabled IOMMU Groups & Secure Boot but it didn't change the outcome.

    Maybe others will have better luck.



  • 20.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 24, 2022 06:22 PM

    Hi,


    Reading here and seem to understand that if for yout TPM 2.0 module the "Intel TXT" option is available and active you may need to disable it.


    Returning to the argument under discussion, this excerpt from the official documentation should be read:
    "Ensure that the TPM is configured in the ESXi host's BIOS to use the SHA-256 hashing algorithm and the TIS / FIFO (First-In, First-Out) interface and not CRB (Command Response Buffer). For information about setting these required BIOS options, refer to the vendor documentation".


    Now, IMHO, as this information is disclosed to anyone, it is the manufacturer of a system (the OEM) who should be concerned with implementing things (the TPM module, and not only that) in a manner that conforms to these specifications, admitted he wants his customer to be able to use his product reliably in combination with a very specialized product like ESXi, not the other way around. Otherwise, when things don't work out, the concept of "support" becomes more of a "guesswork", hoping that someone, possibly, will make it (the concept of "best effort").


    Regards,
    Ferdinando



  • 21.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 24, 2022 07:36 PM

    good point.

    In my homelab use case the same bios setting works on ESXi 7.0U3g, but gives the warning in ESXi 8.0. In BIOS there are three options: TPM Device (Available), TPM State (Enabled), Clear TPM (no). That's it. That's all. No more option with the latest greated firmware version.

    On HPE Gen10 servers there is no issue - you can change TPM bus from FIFO to CRB.

    I've seen that some Dell laptops have a tremendous bunch of TPM options e.g. TPM on + Attestation Enable + Key Storage enable + SHA256. On newer Dell servers you can set "Intel TXT" on/off and change the TPM2.0 Algorithm granularly from SHA1 to SHA256. 

    The matching VMware docs text section in 7.0 and 8.0 hasn't changed.

    Neither booting ESXi 7.0U3g nor ESXi8.0, but the alternate boot into Windows 11 says, hey, TPM2.0 works flawlessly. Start tpm.msc and you see TPM is active, e.g. vendor name: INTC, vendor version: 600.7.41.21542, specification version: 2.0.
    You start tpmtool.exe getdeviceinformation. The output shows some granular infos e.g. PPI version 1.3 and TPM specification version 1.38. 

    The latest greatest TPM specification version is 1.59 accordingly to trustedcomputinggroup.org tpm library specification. I haven't found this family 2.0 tpm library specification on esxcli output.

     



  • 22.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Oct 24, 2022 07:53 PM

    At this point I've given up on it.

     

    With now this issue, and previous issues regarding driver support, I'm back to just using Proxmox. Both TPMs are detected and work flawless in Proxmox 7.2, I also tried Windows 11 this afternoon on this machine bare metal, and it can make use of both TPMs. For giggles I tried ESXi 7.0.3, guess what, no issue detecting and using the external TPM either.

    - AMD System: There's no Intel TXT option in BIOS.
    - By default, it's set to SHA-256 Hashing and is the TIS interface.

    I have no doubt that the Ryzen CPU fTPM and the external TPM 2.0 module both conform to the standards. The most interesting thing is as mentioned, both these TPMs work out of the box in VMWare 7.0.3.

    With every release, we seem to get more restricted, moving backwards. I agree that this is really outside of support since we are using unsupported hardware, but this is something very basic that should just work.

    Anyways, I'll keep monitoring this thread and probably will try a new release here and there to see what the results are.

    Best of luck!



  • 23.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Nov 14, 2022 01:37 AM

    Hello.  I have gotten the same thing and the setup of Windows11 got stuck with TPM2.0 module.

    The module of TPM2.0 on the PC motherboard might not support I guess.  Or it doesn't make sense...

    Here is my post, but I've not gotten any answers yet.

    https://communities.vmware.com/t5/ESXi-Discussions/PM-2-0-connection-cannot-be-established-on-ESXi-host-dashboard/m-p/2936997#M284545

     

    Regards,



  • 24.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Nov 11, 2022 04:03 PM

    DellEMC PowerEdge R7515 with EPYC 7402P also get this alert...



  • 25.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Dec 11, 2022 02:17 PM

    There is a new release: https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-vSphere/8.0/rn/vsphere-esxi-80a-release-notes/index.html#esxi-8-0a-20842819-standard-resolved When TPM 2.0 is enabled with TXT on an ESXi host, attempts to power-on a virtual machine might fail When TXT is enabled on an ESX host, attempts to power-on a VM might fail with an error. In the vSphere Client, you see a message such as This host supports Intel VT-x, but Intel VT-x is restricted. Intel VT-x might be restricted because 'trusted execution' has been enabled in the BIOS/firmware settings or because the host has not been power-cycled since changing this setting. worth a try t.

     

    p.s: tested with x570 ftpm, still does not work; but the bios ftpm is CRB not TIS. GC-TPM2.0_S TPM Module is TIS so still a chance it works.



  • 26.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Jan 21, 2023 08:33 AM

    Goto BIOS setting as follow:

    • TPM2 Algorithm Selection to SHA256
    • Turn on Intel(R) TXT 
    • Enable Secure Boot


  • 27.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Jan 27, 2023 01:07 PM

    This is a thread about AMD CPU's TPM....they don't tend to have INTEL related settings in the BIOS.



  • 28.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Jan 27, 2023 03:13 PM

    Hi,


    You're wrong, this thread started discussing a topic related to an Intel processor machine and of more general relevance.
    The specifications indicated by VMware may not be shared but, nevertheless, they are very clear. And it boils down to the take-it-or-leave-it concept.


    Regards,
    Ferdinando



  • 29.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Feb 02, 2023 04:37 AM

    Same problem using ESXi 8.0 on Asus Prime z690-p D4 using CPU Intel i7 13700. 1st problem unable to join Vsphere cVenter 8.0. Finally able to register after bypass or ignore in few step. After joined vCenter it show the real problem as issue "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established.". Tried Proxmox and Truenas scale and both unable to install Windows 2022 as VM guest maybe that TPM caused the problem.

     



  • 30.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Feb 02, 2023 10:24 AM

    Here an update in sort of a recommendation.

    First, don't buy cheap hardware. Differentiate good hardware with a rebate. Pay attention about the TPM specs text !

     

    With the following spec, TPM 2.0 is detected on Hypervisor ESXi8.

    Discrete Hardware Trusted Platform Module (TPM) 2.0 (available in select regions only): Discrete TPM 2.0 by IC FIPS-140-2 certified/TCG certified, TCG certification for TPM (Trusted Computing Group)

     

    With the following spec, TPM 2.0 might be declared as detected on latest Microsoft Windows Server and Desktops releases, but for sure is not detected on Hypervisor ESXi8.

    Hardware TPM is v1.2, which is a subset of the TPM 2.0 specification version v0.89 as implemented by Intel Platform Trust Technology (PTT)

    There are mainboard vendors with integrated TPMs and firmware TPMs, without having changed their manufacturing process to include a TPM chip with the FIPS-140 certification.
    Luckily, some mainboard vendors have published a newer firmwares which fulfill the actual ESXi8 TPM 2.0 detection requirements because of the capability of the TPM chip.
    Luckily, on some mainboards you can add a discrete TPM 2.0 chip. In most cases it costs less than 100 US$. My favorite blog on this is https://thenicholson.com/how-do-i-secure-and-encrypt-an-esxi-boot-device

    Be careful when considering a laptop for homelab ESXi8 purposes. Usually there is no add-chip-option.
    Hypervisor TPM + Software TPM are options. When it comes to testing upgrade procedures + recovery recipes, it overcomplicates the original learning topic though.

     

    Mind the gap. Before buying hardware, look to the https://www.vmware.com/resources/compatibility/search.php. Also, for mobile and rugged homelab purposes, carefully do research about hardware security options.



  • 31.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Feb 22, 2023 10:18 AM

    just leaving a short note.

    ESXi-8.0b-21203435-standard (Build 21203435) on msi x570 (firmware f38a, ftpm) TPM still does not work.

    Has anyone tested the Hardware TPM for MSI with the most current firmware and esxi version?

    t.



  • 32.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Mar 13, 2023 04:37 PM

    seeing the same error on Dell R6515 AMD Epyc 7302P, still don't have a solution yet,
    will be opening support tickets with Dell and VMware and update if I find an answer, but for anyone else stuck here:

    TPM settings look correct (based on VMware/Dell instructions)
    TPM is ON
    Type: 2.0 NTC
    TPM Firmware 1.3.2.8
    TPM Hierarchy is ENABLED
    TPM Power button is ENABLED
    AC Recovery is LAST
    UEFI Variable Access is STANDARD
    Secure Boot Policy is STANDARD
    Secure Boot Mode is DEPLOYED

    VMware shows the unit as compatible: https://www.vmware.com/resources/compatibility/detail.php?deviceCategory=server&productid=48586

    Dell BIOS is version 2.9.3 (which is marked as compatible at link above for TPM)

    Seems to boil down to this:VMB_TPM: 250: TPM 2 SHA-256 PCR bank not found to be active. from the VMKernel.log:

    vmkernel: VMB_TPM: 1961: Activated locality 0 2023-03-08T13:57:13Z In(182)
    vmkernel: VMB_TPM: 613: TPM is in FIFO mode. 2023-03-08T13:57:13Z In(182)
    vmkernel: VMB_TPM: 1983: Initialization of TPM 2 impl done. 2023-03-08T13:57:13Z In(182)
    vmkernel: VMB_TPM: 1930: Vendor ID: NTC 2023-03-08T13:57:13Z In(182)
    vmkernel: VMB_TPM: 909: Received unexpected digest count: 0 2023-03-08T13:57:13Z In(182)
    vmkernel: VMB_TPM: 250: TPM 2 SHA-256 PCR bank not found to be active. 2023-03-08T13:57:13Z In(182)
    vmkernel: VMB_TPM: 187: Failed to initialize TPM



  • 33.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Mar 13, 2023 09:39 PM

    answer: 
     SHA256 MUST be selected within the Dell Bios in-person, there is no way to set SHA256 (option will not show up at all) in iDRAC, once selected, TPM is recognized, (this is only for AMD-based Dell PowerEdge) it is not configured by default, default is SHA1



  • 34.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Mar 16, 2023 06:24 AM

    Same issue here with AMD chip.



  • 35.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Apr 01, 2023 05:08 PM

    For anyone interested, I just tested ESXi 8.0 on a system with the below hw components.

    • Asus Pro B660M-C D4-CSM
    • Intel Core i5 12500

    The motherboard has a built-in TPM chip (apart from the CPU's firmware TPM).

    On the ESXi interface, I got no errors/warnings at all. On the vCenter interface, I was getting the "TPM Encryption Recovery Key Backup Alarm" which my understating is that it could be suppressed after backing up the recovery key.

    When hitting localcli hardware trustedboot get though I still get

    TrustedbootGet:
    Drtm Enabled: false
    Tpm Present: true



  • 36.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Sep 29, 2023 05:08 AM

    same here on Asus ProArt X670E - this is no cheap dumb fu.. hardware.
    This incompatibility is a joke.
    I understand picky specs for Controllers, GPUs, NICs and such but for a fuc++++ TPM?

    Fix this !

    I should just change my private HV (my trial and learning platform) and guess what, the companys i maintain will follow.
    After years of stupid VMware decisions of shrinking standard hardware support this is additional fire to an already declining userbase.

    And making the board manufacturers accountable for such incompatibility is just laughable - on 7.0U3g it's working, and for other OS this is obviously also no problem.

    Goodbye VMWare.



  • 37.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Sep 30, 2023 06:12 AM

    Hi,

    your opinion about the product compatibility matrix is very negative, also about the userbase.

    The tremendous security demand from tele communication, finance, military, construction and energy sectors is the 2nd wave after the virtualization. On the way towards 2030 we cannot have autonomous systems, low earth orbit industrialization and smart cities without safe filters.

    Yes there was a time where Bring-Your-Own was fancy. With respect to FSD and LLM where routine decisions are delegated to compute systems, safety come first, second and third. Security specs are security specs versions. Biometric access systems used Tpm 1.2 and today 2.0. For sure this will advance again. The chips for a specific version often are produced for a decade. Software vendors have the choice to check the version of a chip feature and that‘s good. For safety first systems, best filters are a must. Company decisions about risk appetite and risk acceptance have to be respected.

    VMware never positioned themselves in home computer systems market. Never. It is nice that they support workload management on edge systems, and of course it would be nice to see a rich ecosystem, but the home computer system market is out of scope.

    For a short time period, for sure a few enthusiasts will show their Jarvis-on-ESXi on Nvidia GPU laptops with biometric access management. I would try it, too. And with the same enthusiasm, I want safety first when entering the 2030 future.



  • 38.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Sep 30, 2023 11:54 AM

     wrote:

    Hi,

    your opinion about the product compatibility matrix is very negative,

    and? should i be happy?

    also about the userbase.

    no. Why you put things in my mouth, which i didn't say? I'am negative about VMWare, not the community.

    The tremendous security demand from tele communication, finance, military, construction and energy sectors is the 2nd wave after the virtualization. On the way towards 2030 we cannot have autonomous systems, low earth orbit industrialization and smart cities without safe filters.

    what you are talking about, someones ivory tower?
    Guess what, I'am talking about lab/test conditions. I didn't question the need for TPM in general here, i just questioned it for a home lab or a "lab mode". So, why not integrate a switch/mode for extended compatibility? Or be more conscious about excluding specs with wide impact. And on this topic(TPM) i predict future compatibility critical impacts which makes the whole Product/Feature Intention of Virtualisation obsolete; Impact-Magnitude-Level: How you transorm a worthful facility or a space shuttle into something with the worth of a brick - not on your own, just by some illustrious external decison makers.

    Yes there was a time where Bring-Your-Own was fancy.

    who is talking about BYOD?
    Do you inferring from oneself to others? So you brought your own device?
    I never did, cause of reasons, security reasons.
    Ever thought about leaving your own "fancy" little Isle?
    Again, I'am talking about homelabs where a 5 digits pile of hardware is not affordable for everyone every time. And beeing not blessed with endless money doesn't say anything how potential/capable the people in these home labs are, did you every thought about that young people with home labs might be even more capable and tech-savvy than these ivory "i have endless money and buy everything peepos"? Andy maybe they are the future?

    With respect to FSD and LLM where routine decisions are delegated to compute systems, safety come first, second and third. Security specs are security specs versions. Biometric access systems used Tpm 1.2 and today 2.0.

    WTF I'am talking about homelabs, not Fort Knox
    An emulated TPM would be fine, and it's just software.
    I'am actually more in fear that other reasons driving such restrictive decisions, to speak: money reasons. (stupid short thought decisions from business people)

    For sure this will advance again. The chips for a specific version often are produced for a decade.

    funny, you are talking about 10 Years(which is nothing in some Industrys)
    I'am talking about a key features of virtualisation environments such as compatibility, long term compatibility cause of broad HCL.
    So you brought up a topic that even supports my point of view.

    Software vendors have the choice to check the version of a chip feature and that‘s good. For safety first systems, best filters are a must. Company decisions about risk appetite and risk acceptance have to be respected.

    VMware never positioned themselves in home computer systems market. Never.

    There is no such thing as "home computer systems" there is only technology and compatibility and cheap or expensive hardware.
    Or if i talk on your level: any idea on what kind of technology your "fancy server hardware" is based on? How x86 plattform caught attention and got to life?
    By your fancy standards you should immediately throw all your "fancy hardware" out to the window, cause it was kind of born or at least accelerated in home brew computer shops or garages.

    It is nice that they support workload management on edge systems, and of course it would be nice to see a rich ecosystem, but the home computer system market is out of scope.

    For a short time period, for sure a few enthusiasts will show their Jarvis-on-ESXi on Nvidia GPU laptops with biometric access management. I would try it, too. And with the same enthusiasm, I want safety first when entering the 2030 future.


    summary: I didn't gain any positive/constructive/facilitative knowledge from your reply on my concerns about VMWares compatibility politics. Now it even took me time to broaden your sight? But i guess you are too "fancy" to understand anything of what i'am talking about,
    or should i ask myself now how you got contact to technology? Should I guess you were directly born into someones tech ivory tower with endless knowledge and ressources?



  • 39.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Sep 30, 2023 01:49 PM
    Hi,
     
    I'm re-reading the 'negative about VMWare' voices here on communities.vmware.com which are honoring on the same time that the VMUG Advantage membership is a very attractive community offer.
    Having chosen the wrong hardware happened quite a few times.
     
    Hence, a disadvantage is that there is no VMUG store with officially advertized hardware for a specific homelab purpose. 
     
    An effort in this direction has been made by vExperts and can be found at https://github.com/lamw/homelab, but the purpose there is separated from a store buy option.
     
    In a store, it would be nice to set a filter for the homelab purpose chosen and the costs you are willing to spend for your homelab.
     
    Here a draft.
     
                                            | costs combo VMUG advantage membership + hardware
       homelab purpose                      | < 500 US$ | < 1500 US$ | < 5000 US$  | >= 5000 US$
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Workstation, Fusion                     |           |            |             |
    ESXi                                    |           |            |             |
    vCenter Server                          |           |            |             |
    vSAN                                    |           |            |             |
    NSX-T                                   |           |            |             |
    vRealize Operations                     |           |            |             |
    vRealize Log Insight                    |           |            |             |
    vRealize Automation                     |           |            |             |
    Horizon View                            |           |            |             |
    Tanzu                                   |           |            |             |
    VMware Cloud Foundation                 |           |            |             |
     
    A year ago, Russel Hamker for instance spent 15'000 US$ (!) for his homelab and with that he is able to tinker with all products, and with hardware support for more than one year.
    A few months ago, Eddie Kwok added his homelab' bill of materials for ESXi, vCenter and vSAN. He spent less than 1'000 US$ for the combo.
     
    Another disadvantage is the fact that the vExpert community didn't not update the homelab list with focus on GPU.
    Actually with #ProjectKeswick, William Lam adds one kit after the other on his blog. The latest one was this week, see https://williamlam.com/2023/09/esxi-on-lenovo-thinkstation-p3-ultra.html.
    Nevertheless, more than a blog entry, a VMUG Advantage store buy option could be helpful.
     
    Thoughts about the idea?
     
    Personal: I left the vExpert community because of lack of time to exercise with "heavy systems" on the job and at home. VMware Workstation suddenly was good enough for the purpose needed. One of my actual homelab computer system, a Lenovo 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-13905H 2.60 GHz, 64 GB RAM, Nvidia RTX4070 GPU, was about 3500 US$. It is not on the VMware ESXi compatibility matrix and it was my decision to buy the hardware. Long story of this thread in short, 12 months ago I bought a HPE 250 G8 and used it as tiny ESXi homelab. I learned about the strict ESXi 8.0++ TPM 2.0 specs [Secure Boot must be enabled, ability to set TPM2 Algorithm to SHA256, SHA1 is not sufficient, ++ ]. At that time it was new for me. Others already blogged about TPM2.0 because of their experience in business with new server hardware.


  • 40.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Nov 02, 2023 06:20 PM

    Same issue here. Dell PowerEdge R7515 w/ AMD Epyc 7543P. Running Dell custom 8.0u2



  • 41.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Nov 02, 2023 06:58 PM

    removed, see below, couldn't see original reply. there is a quick solution TPM -> algorithm -> SHA256 (comes as SHA 1 by default)



  • 42.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Nov 02, 2023 07:00 PM

    Hi, hope you see this....

    solution/ Goto BIOS setting as follow:

    TPM2 Algorithm Selection to SHA256

    SHA256 MUST be selected within the Dell Bios in-person, there is no way to set SHA256 (option will not show up at all) in iDRAC, once selected, TPM is recognized, (this is only for AMD-based Dell PowerEdge) it is not configured by default, default is SHA1



  • 43.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Nov 06, 2023 08:16 PM

     wrote:

    Hi, hope you see this....

    solution/ Goto BIOS setting as follow:

    TPM2 Algorithm Selection to SHA256

    SHA256 MUST be selected within the Dell Bios in-person, there is no way to set SHA256 (option will not show up at all) in iDRAC, once selected, TPM is recognized, (this is only for AMD-based Dell PowerEdge) it is not configured by default, default is SHA1


    Can confirm this seems to have cleared the TPM error on a Dell PE 7515 host w/ AMD Epyc 7543P 32 core CPU. Note: you can change it via iDRAC if you console to the server. Even though the option to change showed up in iDRAC -> Configuratio -> BIOS for me, changing it and rebooting it did not cause the change to take effect. I had to console to the server, hit F2 during boot, and configure it the old-fashioned way (albeit still via iDRAC).



  • 44.  RE: ESXi 8.0 tpm 2.0 status shown as "TPM 2.0 device detected but a connection cannot be established."

    Posted Feb 05, 2024 12:02 PM

    Thanks i will look into if setting SHA256 on my platform will work also. Does anyone have the link to the VMWare document that specifies that ESX only uses FIFO?? Because if that is still the case then the blame is at VMWare and not the hardware vendors. Because the official industry specs for TPM say that your must try FIFO first and if not available then you must try CRB. It is on page 9 of the official spec document in the flowchart. https://trustedcomputinggroup.org/wp-content/uploads/TCG_PCClient_Design_Principles_TPM2p0_Driver_rp27_190809_final.pdf