Pricing / Cost / ESXi

[escapem2]

hi guys

Basically this is what I want 8 vpshere server runninng about 400 WinXP Ddesktop using Vmware View.

Reading along Vmware_Princing PDF says that Vmware recommends for Best Practices ESXi.

We all know that that sellers what to sell as much as they can and I want to reduce cost so my boss is happy. Cool.

My point is what could cost $$$$?

using 8 ESX normal host along with vCenter? These people are selling me Vmware Vpshere 4 Enterprise for 1 Processor - each server 2 processors.

Cost: 2902 x 16 = 46432$

plus vCenter license Standart 3 years 24x7 = $8,179.95

Total: 54611 $ :smileyshocked:

sooo if

if I use ESXi I only have to pay for the virtual center? Am I right? I don't believe it just 8,179 $$$ ???

if someone can give some light here

thanks a lot

[AureusStone]

Unfortunatly not.

ESX and ESXi will both cost you the same if you are going to be using it with vCenter. You can get a very cut down free version of ESXi but not with HA/vMotion vcenter etc.

Consider what features are a business requirement and buy the version that matches. Otherwise consider XenDesktop on XenServer.

[Josh26]

Hi,

You seem to be of the view that ESX is a paid product and ESXi is always free for the same features?

That is not the case.

ESX is an old technology, and soon to be phased out of existance. Just like ESX, ESXi has many "editions", depending on the features you want. A vmware "Enterprise" license can be used to install either ESX Enterprise or ESXi Enterprise, but there's really no excuse to do new deployments under ESX these days.

There may be a "free" edition of ESXi, but you can think of it as a "feature limited trial". For some environments those limitations are acceptable, however one of those limitations is the ability to talk to vCenter - so no, you cannot just use the free edition in your environment.

That said, you stated you were quoted on "Enterprise" edition. This gives you several features, or which Storage vMotion is the notable one. Do you want this? If so, you have to buy what you have been quoted. Otherwise, you can save quite a bit of money by dropping to the standard edition.

[escapem2]

thanks guys

that's too bad since you even recommend me XEN..... that means vmware is too expensive and not even using ESXi I can cut the price...

Well I think I can have some benefits on using DRS.... that's why Enterprise...

so basically vmware wants us go to ESXi because they are wasting their time supporting/developing 2 ESXs. by the way another vendor offer me Red Hat Virtualization and I am amazed by the cost.....

the point is cost - red hat - versus years of experience on virtualization - vmware -

any pointers I mean I know it is silly discussing here about red hat... but....

[kjb007]

Desktop prices are a little different than server. If you will only be using this env for virtual desktop, then you pay a per seat price per desktop. It breaks down to about $50 a desktop. All of the advanced features are included. Vcenter, esx and drs/ha. This pricing is only for desktop.

vExpert

VMware Communities Moderator

-KjB

[Bartmosss]

Desktop prices are a little different than server. If you will only be using this env for virtual desktop, then you pay a per seat price per desktop. It breaks down to about $50 a desktop. All of the advanced features are included. Vcenter, esx and drs/ha. This pricing is only for desktop.

vExpert

VMware Communities Moderator

-KjB

VMware View can be obtained 2 way and 2 edition (Std and Premier). First you can add some desktop licence to an existing VMware environnment, and the second, you pay by concurrent desktop and it include all the software required and all feature like a VMware Enterprise licence.

Premier edition of View add the View composer and ThinApp... so it could really help you in your project.

And you pay only for concurrent connection... on some case it is a really good point.

MCP, A, Network, Linux+, VSP, VTSP, VCP

[Neonewbie]

I

is the licence for VMWare per year?

or once you buy your licence say for your 400 seats with VMware view. working out to about £50 per seat. is that it.

is there another cost next year. or another cost anywhere else?

Neo

[Neonewbie]

so if it works out at 50 pound per seat * 400 =£20.000

I really like the look of VMware View 4 put would only want to pay the £20.000 pound per year once surely?

[Bartmosss]

The cost discussed is the initial licence cost. For a new VMware View environment, you should go with the solution including everything and not the bundle.

Cost should be about: 150$ (US$) by concurrent session for the Enterprise edition

And for the Premier edition that include View Composer and Thin App, it is 250$ (US$) by concurrent session.

Add to this the Support and Subscription (SnS). Only the SnS has to be renewed every year.

So it is 150$ x 400= 60000$ + SnS (sorry I don't have the price list near).

or

250$ x 400 = 100000$ + SnS

That include the licence to run any number of ESXi server to run this workload, vCenter and every feature like DRS, HA, vMotion... As long as only desktop OS are loaded on these ESXi server.

Also don't forget to talk to your Microsoft rep for the licensing aspect of this setup.

Hope it's help you.

Steve Lavoie

MCP, A, Network, Linux+, VSP, VTSP, VCP

[Josh26]

Well I think I can have some benefits on using DRS.... that's why Enterprise...

And can you actually get DRS on the competing technologies you are considering?

[escapem2]

yes Josh

take a peek you will be amazed all the thing Red Hat

Virtualization has

http://www.redhat.com/f/pdf/rhev/final2.2/DOC103_RHEV_FeatureMatrix_3073747_0610_ma_web.pdf

should

Vmware be afraid or reduce their cost

I know both are competing

for a big market that's what I got both offers.....

what do you

think guys?

I still don't know how may people are using/beting on

Red Hat though

http://www.redhat.com/f/pdf/rhev/DOC108R6-Competitive-Pricing-Whitepaper.pdf

kjb007

thanks for that info maybe I am only thinking about servers but using Vmware View should change some things a little bit

[Josh26]

Fairly rediculous comparison in my opinion.

"Security": Redhat "yes", ESXi "no". Please. Someone hasn't looked at Redhat's advisories lately.

All the "Requires Enterprise edition" features should be considered a "yes" given you keep quoting the price of enterprise edition.

At the end of the day, if you want to use that product go and use it. This is a technical forum for vmware, noone cares if you buy something else in ignorance of the features.

[J1mbo]

I would have thought the Microsoft licensing cost will far outway whatever hypervisor is used..., the only way to run WinXP VMs legally is with VECD subscription licensing, which also requires SA. And if using thin client it needs client licenses too I think...

http://blog.peacon.co.uk

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[Josh26]

I would have thought the Microsoft licensing cost will far outway whatever hypervisor is used..., the only way to run WinXP VMs legally is with VECD subscription licensing, which also requires SA. And if using thin client it needs client licenses too I think...

http://blog.peacon.co.uk

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True.

There has to be a question around whether you should still be doing new deployments of Windows XP at all these days too.