IT Process Automation

  • 1.  CA Workflow to IT PAM migration???

    Posted Sep 25, 2013 08:49 PM
    Hello!

    We are starting the process of migrating (a.k.a. rebuilding) all of our CA Workflow process definitions in IT PAM. We've completed Designer training and will be taking the Service Desk integrations training next week.

    I realize there isn't a silver bullet migration utility to go from CA Workflow to PAM. However, I have a few questions that I'm hoping I can get some good direction from those of you that may have already done this.

    First, let me give you a little background:

    We have the following CA productsion: Service Desk r12.7, Service Catalog r12.6, Asset Portfolio Management r11.3.4, ITCM / DSM / Asset Intelligence r12.5, EEM r8.4.4 and now PAM r4.1.
    Service Catalog is the only application that we use to fire off CA Workflow processes. However, it does interact with the other applications within the different workflows.
    We currently have about 25 custom built workflows - 2 or 3 are pretty complex and the others are pretty straight forward. We did not use any of the out of the box workflows (except 1).
    Our main CA Workflow developer is no longer with us, and the only exposure we have had with CA Workflow is from a support perspective. In otherwords, very little development.

    Here are some questions we have:

    Has anyone already gone through the migration effort from CA Workflow to PAM?

    If so, would you be willing to provide me your contact information and have a phone conversation regarding your migration path?

    Has anyone utilized CA services for this or has everyone done this on their own?

    What are the some yoiur best practices to consider, tips and tricks for migration, or gotchas that we should avoid? (i.e. Naming conventions, design standards, development ideas, error handling suggestions, etc..)

    Lastly, I realize this is a loaded question, but how much effort is there in migrating a single CA Workflow into IT PAM?

    Thanks much!
    Jason


  • 2.  RE: CA Workflow to IT PAM migration???

    Posted Oct 02, 2013 07:16 AM
    Once again I ask, has anyone that uses Service Catalog migrated from CA Workflow to IT PAM? If so, I'd really appreciate some help on my questions above!

    Thanks,
    Jason


  • 3.  RE: CA Workflow to IT PAM migration???

    Posted Oct 09, 2013 02:07 PM
    It appears NO ONE has migrated from CA Workflow to IT PAM based on the fact that I haven't received any responses. That would explain why CA doesn't have any best practices documents to share either.

    If ANYONE has gone taken the time to migrate from CA Workflow to IT PAM I'd love to hear from you.

    Thanks,
    Jason


  • 4.  RE: CA Workflow to IT PAM migration???

    Posted Oct 09, 2013 02:37 PM
    Hi Jason,


    Just a suggestion if you havent already considered it...
    It may be worth it to post a similar inquiry into the Catalog message board in the Service Management Community.

    Thanks
    Steve


  • 5.  RE: CA Workflow to IT PAM migration???

    Posted Oct 09, 2013 02:56 PM
    Thansk Steve. I will give that a try as well.

    Jason


  • 6.  RE: CA Workflow to IT PAM migration???

    Broadcom Employee
    Posted Oct 09, 2013 03:58 PM
    Jason,
    Please let me try to answer at least some of your questions on this sort of Migration from a support perspective.
    Has anyone already gone through the migration effort from CA Workflow to PAM?
    Yes, at this point I would say that the majority of Service Desk clients have already moved to CA Process Automation or are in the middle of making the switch.
    Has anyone utilized CA services for this or has everyone done this on their own?
    Both. Which migration path probably falls very much along the initial CA Workflow implementation path - if Services originally implemented Workflow, they were likely brought out to implement CA Process Automation. I have spoke with clients that have had Services recreate their most important process(es) in PAM, but are doing the others themselves.
    What are the some yoiur best practices to consider, tips and tricks for migration, or gotchas that we should avoid? (i.e. Naming conventions, design standards, development ideas, error handling suggestions, etc..)
    The major one that I can think of is that you can run both CA Workflow and CA Process Automation at the same time as you shift from one to the other. The thing to consider with this is that you can only point a Category at one Workflow type at a time.

    As an example, take a Category named 'New PC' which is connected to CA Workflow and launches Workflow process 'Order New PC' - You could leave that in place and create a new Category 'New PC_Pam' then connect that to the newly designed Process Automation process 'Order New PC'. Once the PAM process is ready inactivate the original Category and have everyone start using 'New PC_Pam'

    The alternative is to build and verify a replacement PAM process in a Development environment and once it is ready move it into Production; then going into the Category and switch it from pointing at CA Workflow to the CA Process Automation process. The main thing to watch out for in this situation is that[i] ALL open change orders must be completed and closed prior to making this switch. Any tickets opened prior to the switch will be attempting to access the associated CA Workflow process in the PAM engine which will fail and lead to errors and prevent those tickets from being closed in Service Desk.
    Lastly, I realize this is a loaded question, but how much effort is there in migrating a single CA Workflow into IT PAM?
    This is difficult to address as you suspect. The answer is dependent on how complex your Workflow processes are, and to a greater extent how good of a PAM Process Designer you are. Unless you can use some of the out of the box content you will have to recreate your CA Workflow processes from scratch in CA Process Automation.

    One thing that may help is getting the old CA Workflow processes that came with the install, rebuilt for Process Automation. These can be found on our Best Practices Page

    CA Process Automation Sample Process Definitions for CA SDM - The sample CA Workflow Process definitions provided out of box in CA SDM (Order PC, Problem Analysis, and Change Management), have been converted to process definitions to be leveraged by CA SDM 12.7 and CA Process Automation 3.1 SP1. The attached zip file contains the following: 1.) An XML file with all of the Processes, SRF's, IRF's, Custom Operators, etc required for implementation of processes. 2.) A PDF file with setup, configuration, integration, and Best Practices information. It also contains a screenshot demo of all Process Definitions 'in action'.

    Please note, the information on the Best Practices Page is being moved slowly to the Product pages on support.ca.com so it is possible that the above links will not be valid in the future.


  • 7.  RE: CA Workflow to IT PAM migration???

    Posted Oct 10, 2013 02:24 AM
    I stand to be corrected on this as I have no experience...However, I do not believe there is a way\utility to migrate the CA Workflow processes to ITPAM. Simpy put I have never seen one or heard of one. One has to re-write\re-build whatever processes that existed in CA Workflow from scratch using ITPAM...similar to moving from Classic Workflow to CA Workflow or ITPAM workflows. It looks like a total rewrite to me...


  • 8.  RE: CA Workflow to IT PAM migration???

    Posted Oct 10, 2013 07:06 AM
    Brian - I believe you ARE correct. That is why I put "migrating (a.k.a. rebuilding)" at the very beginning. I'm basically looking for some folks that have gone through this process that can give me some tips/tricks and best practices before we dive in.

    MWNiebuhr - thanks for the reply. However, I'm a bit confused by answer regarding both CA Workflow and PAM processes at the same time. We typically define our CA Workflows for a Cat/Class/Sub-class along with going from one status to the next. Example: Category is 'Admin', Class is 'New Employee', and Status goes to 'Pending Fulfillment'. We have an Action to create a Change Order in Service Desk. I was thinking that we could just disable this action and add a new action that would kick off the PAM process. Wouldn't all the previous CA Workflow process continue to run since they were already kicked off and then the next one that gets triggered fire off the PAM process? I was hoping I wouldn't have to build all new Category/Class/Subclasses for PAM. I was actually hoping to reuse all the Rules I have in Service Catalog and just add new actions to fire the PAM process. I realize I need to leave CA Workflow running at the same time until all the requests are closed out. Thank you for confirming that piece for me. I also posted this on the Service Management page, so hopeuflly I get a few Service Catalog folks to respond. :)

    Jason


  • 9.  RE: CA Workflow to IT PAM migration???

    Posted Oct 10, 2013 08:41 AM
    Hello Jason,

    First off all, i have to admit that (i think?) you are first who alarmed little bit this subject (go from CW to PAM). I am now working on project, where we are implementing SDM r.12.6 with PAM 4.1. We have a lot of experience with Classic WorkFlow and little bit with PAM...so any migration from tool, where everything was working on 'tasks' in series :).

    The point is, how to resolve a problem with calling to same process during handling one incident (not to new instance)?

    To call from Service Desk to PAM I use Event and Macros option…but, when I run any process PAM (directly from SD) using first event, I cannot refer to, with i.e. second event. Only I can run new process and cannot refer to previous instance.

    I think that is understandable.

    I would like to run many events and working with same instances created for New Incident (like in CW...but everything in PAM).

    PS. Please add here a link with your issue from another group ;)

    Regards,
    Jack