who put the BOMP in the BOMP DBOMP DBOMP ?

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I must admit that by the time I went to work for Grumman Flxible (bus
manufacturer) in the late 70's/early 80's, we has pretty well migrated
off
BOMP/DBOMP to DL/I, but they were still running DBOMP transpanency so
that
they could run the untouched DBOMP programs against the DL/I database
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"Lutz,
First off, I want to thank everyone who has wished me well. This is a
great group of people.
I started with IDMS back in the 5.7 days of 1983 as a cobol programmer
and then moved to application DBA and then finally to King (keeper of
all things IDMS). Along the way, there were so many opportunities to
learn.
The last five-six years have been real slow as I've been relegated to
watching systems run and keeping multiple levels of the software up to
date on a test LPAR in the event I could actually dust them off and
bring them into the sunlight.
Every once in a while, management here asks us to update our skills
profile - I have no idea why, there's no advancement possible. But the
only thing I have been able to do in the last half dozen years is take
stuff off my skills profile because I can't remember how to do them
anymore. And I do not say that in jest.
Let me give you a perfect example of the respect a technician
receives. Bear in mind IDMS has a limited life span here - maybe as
little as 6-8 months. As I was having discussions with management (post
review) and offering ways I could support IDMS without being a full time
employee (even offering to train someone in exchange for being laid
off), I was told by one manager that I either move into another group or
quit. The VP then asked that manager what he would do for IDMS support
if I quit. The answer? ""I'll send someone to a few classes"". Aren't
you glad to know your 20+ years of experience can be replaced by a few
classes?

Joe

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The first job I had after getting out of the USAF in 1968 was at Chicago
Rawhide - 360/30 running DOS with 64K. You really had to code
efficiently! I did (I guess kinda an ETL thing) extracts from the BOMP
to create files which were then used to print catalogs from. Source
cards and compile listings all the way. Had to use the lost art of
""desk checking.""

[ca.portal.admin]

The first job I had after getting out of the USAF in 1968 was at Chicago
Rawhide - 360/30 running DOS with 64K. You really had to code
efficiently! I did (I guess kinda an ETL thing) extracts from the BOMP
to create files which were then used to print catalogs from. Source
cards and compile listings all the way. Had to use the lost art of
""desk checking.""

[ca.portal.admin]

The first job I had after getting out of the USAF in 1968 was at Chicago
Rawhide - 360/30 running DOS with 64K. You really had to code
efficiently! I did (I guess kinda an ETL thing) extracts from the BOMP
to create files which were then used to print catalogs from. Source
cards and compile listings all the way. Had to use the lost art of
""desk checking.""

[ca.portal.admin]

The first job I had after getting out of the USAF in 1968 was at Chicago
Rawhide - 360/30 running DOS with 64K. You really had to code
efficiently! I did (I guess kinda an ETL thing) extracts from the BOMP
to create files which were then used to print catalogs from. Source
cards and compile listings all the way. Had to use the lost art of
""desk checking.""

[ca.portal.admin]

The first job I had after getting out of the USAF in 1968 was at Chicago
Rawhide - 360/30 running DOS with 64K. You really had to code
efficiently! I did (I guess kinda an ETL thing) extracts from the BOMP
to create files which were then used to print catalogs from. Source
cards and compile listings all the way. Had to use the lost art of
""desk checking.""

[ca.portal.admin]

Tim,

I was just talking to a peer today about 360-30s back in April of 1968.


Were you ever ""lucky enough"" to get the 64K add on memory to a 360?

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"Best of luck, Joe, from another ex-IDMS'r and jobhunting DBA. I think I
started with IDMS around 1985 and that ended last year when I was made redundant
(laid off in US terms). Here in the UK most DBA jobs are either CICS/DB2 or
Oracle (or they are Windows/.NET/SQLServer). I hope you have more luck than I
am having!

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"So it's NOT OK to take a potshot at an industry segment but it IS OK to
take a potshot at the <unpaid volunteer> administrator of a <documented>
un-moderated list?

You should have stopped after your second sentence. At that point most
folk would have agreed with you.

Perhaps you're volunteering to take over the monitoring of list
submissions?

Don Casey
Vice President, Quality Assurance and Control
APL Limited

P.S. No, I'm NOT the administrator of this list.