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Automic's plans for Java commercialization?

Pete Wirfs08-28-2018 12:13 PM

Keld Mollnitz08-30-2018 03:25 AM

  • 1.  Automic's plans for Java commercialization?

    Posted 08-28-2018 04:23 AM

    Hi.

     

    We've already discussed the new Java release cycles in the past. But far bei it from Oracle to leave it at that.

     

    Oracle now also appears to say that Oracle Java (formerly Sun Java) will, from here on, require commercial licensing, paid and per CPU. I'm not sure when this takes effect, but I quote from the Oracle Java web site:

     

    At the end of your Java SE Subscription, your rights to any commercial software downloaded under the subscription, and your access to Oracle Premier Support, will end.  We recommend transitioning your Java SE applications to OpenJDK binaries from Oracle (under a GPL license) before the end of your subscription if you do not intend to continue with the subscription.  This will allow you to continue running your applications uninterrupted.

     

    Emphasis mine.

     

    Apparently this gem has been hidden in there since March, but we've gotten aware of it from this Heise.de article (sorry, it's in German). Apparently, Oracle will push Java into a model akin to RedHat: The "testbed" of sorts is OpenJDK with rapid release cycles, and if you want commercial support and, here comes the devious part,  LTS releases, you need to pay for a license. The news, however, is that you definetly need a license if you want to use Oracle JRE/JDK and not OpenJDK.

     

    I wonder:

     

    Is CA/Automic aware of this matter, and will AE and AWI support OpenJDK in time? If AE/AWI should still require Oracle JRE in 2019, it would strongly appear all Automic clients would have to pay license fees to Oracle, too.

     

    Cheers.



  • 2.  Re: Automic's plans for Java commercialization?

    Posted 08-28-2018 11:57 AM

    I noticed the change to the wording a few months ago, and raised the issue internally. I do not know whether we will switch to OpenJDK or purchase a license, but either way, the impact is going to be substantial.

     

    If customers are to run CA's various Java-based components without purchasing a commercial Java license from Oracle, CA will have to provide official support for OpenJDK. With that in mind, I suggest that everyone vote for the following idea if you have not already done so:

     

    OpenJDK support for CA Automic products

    OpenJDK is a popular Java runtime environment and is the standard JRE used in many platform as a service (PaaS) cloud computing environments such as Cloud Foundry. In early 2018, Oracle announced that it will soon discontinue offering Oracle Java without a paid commercial license.

     

    Because OpenJDK is popular, widely used in cloud environments, and soon the only freely-available Java distribution, CA should support running its Java applications in OpenJDK.

     

    #openjdk #java #oracle



  • 3.  Re: Automic's plans for Java commercialization?

    Posted 08-28-2018 12:03 PM

    Yeah, that needs much more voting.

     

    And even then, the choice is using OpenJDK and upgrading it every six months (assuming full backing by CAutomic), or paying Larry $25 per installation, per server, per core, per month, for an LTS release that hopefully get's security patches back-ported.

     

    Class act, big Oh ...



  • 4.  Re: Automic's plans for Java commercialization?

    Posted 08-28-2018 12:13 PM

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  • 5.  Re: Automic's plans for Java commercialization?

    Posted 08-30-2018 03:18 AM

    With new information that has come to light, we have been researching the details with industry experts and feedback will follow ASAP



  • 6.  Re: Automic's plans for Java commercialization?

    Posted 08-30-2018 03:25 AM

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  • 7.  Re: Automic's plans for Java commercialization?

    Posted 09-13-2018 05:02 AM

    Hello there,

     

    this is a major issue for us, too.

     

    ainda02, is there any update regarding this issue that you could share with us?

     

    Thanks alot



  • 8.  Re: Automic's plans for Java commercialization?

    Posted 09-13-2018 01:27 PM

    CA (Automic) is currently investigating adding OPENJDK 11 compatibility. You can expect a further statement before the end of October 2018 when we have completed the initial research.

    All component versions under standard support will be under consideration.

    Please provide feedback on the product version you are currently using to automic-pm@ca.com

     

    David Ainsworth                          
    Director, Product Management AWA



  • 9.  Re: Automic's plans for Java commercialization?

    Posted 10-03-2018 03:19 AM

    CA (Automic) has made progress on the research into adding Oracle OpenJDK / Java 11 compatibility.

    Due to the number of features and options that have been dropped from Oracle OpenJDK / Java 11, there is a significant amount of development required by CA (Automic) to achieve compatibility.

    The compatibility for current versions in the compatibility matrix will remain the same.

    i.e. V12.2 Java Support

    IBM Java 1.8 (IBM Java is supported on AIX only)

    Oracle Java 1.8

     

    Support for Oracle Java 8, Oracle Java 11 and OpenJDK 11 builds from jdk.java.net/11 will be offered in V12.3 which is currently planned for release in Q1 2019.

    David Ainsworth



  • 10.  Re: Automic's plans for Java commercialization?

    Posted 12-18-2018 12:09 PM

    Update on the release date for Automic Engine V12.3 which will contain support for Oracle Java 8, Oracle Java 11 and OpenJDK 11 builds from jdk.java.net/11.

    The release was planned for Q1 2019 and that plan has now changed. The release is now planned for mid 2019.

     

    Would you like to be involved in the Preview Program?

    Benefits for Customers

    • Be Part of the Development Process
    • Validate Solution Proposals
    • Provide Early Feedback
    • Validate and Influence New Features

     

    Contact the Product Management team - automic-pm@ca.com

     

    David Ainsworth

     



  • 11.  RE: Re: Automic's plans for Java commercialization?

    Posted 07-29-2019 03:00 AM
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    @David Ainsworth


    Hi David,

    Was there any change concerning Open Java support with version 12.3?

    I've just checked the Compatibility Matrix and didn't find any OpenJDK as supported (Screenshot attached). Pls. let me know.

    KR, Josef



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  • 12.  RE: Re: Automic's plans for Java commercialization?

    Posted 07-29-2019 04:10 AM
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    Hi Josef,
    That was an oversight. It has now been updated.

    thank you
    David

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    CA Technologies, A Broadcom Company
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  • 13.  RE: Re: Automic's plans for Java commercialization?

    Posted 07-30-2019 03:45 AM
    @David Ainsworth
    Hi David,
    the Compatibility Matrix for Version 12.3 only lists support for OpenJDK 11 for AutomationEngeine and AWI. What about the other components, such as SAP, RA and SQL agents, the application interface or the utilities?
    Which OpenJDK do you recommend? Or: Which is mainly used in development? In the release highlights for version 12.3 the AdoptOpenJDK is explicitly mentioned. BTW: I like the supported JVM OpenJ9 quite well with the AdoptOpenJDK :-)
    Greetings
    Tim

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    Fiducia & GAD IT AG
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  • 14.  Re: Automic's plans for Java commercialization?

    Posted 01-11-2019 10:51 AM

    Another option is Amazon’s distribution as they promise to provide long term security patches / support (Amazon Corretto Java 8 will have support until at least June 2023, Amazon Corretto Java 11 will have support until at least August 2024).  Considering Amazon uses their build for their own production usage, it most likely will be high quality.

     

    The direct link to Amazon Corretto Java is:

    https://aws.amazon.com/corretto/