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  • 1.  Known problems not listed in Release Notes tool

    Posted May 08, 2023 11:46 AM
    Edited by Antony Beeston May 12, 2023 06:12 AM

    For several months, we have been preparing to upgrade to v21.0.5. During our initial testing, we ran into a serious ZDU bug that Broadcom had known about but had not yet made public. Broadcom claimed to have fixed the bug in v21.0.5 HF2, so we restarted our tests using that version. We have mostly completed testing of v21.0.5 HF2 in preparation for upgrading our customer-facing systems.

    Last week I learned that Broadcom is preparing to release Automic Workload Automation v21.0.6 very soon - perhaps as early as this week. I used the Release Notes tool on the Automic Downloads Site to check for known issues in the version we have been testing.

    The Release Notes for v21.0.5 list two Known Issues:

    • Issues with ZDU (AE-31514)
      Issues with ZDU; due to issues with ZDU we recommend manual upgrades
    • :RESOLVE function does not work in v21 (AE-31512)
      :RESOLVE function does not work in v21.

    The Release Notes for v21.0.5 HF2 mentions an additional known issue not listed for v21.0.5:

    • UNIX Agent may not reconnect automatically after an unintended disconnect (AE-31810)
      UNIX Agent may not reconnect automatically after an unintended disconnect (e.g. due to a network failure). Workaround: Kill the listener process of the respective Unix agent and restart the agent with Service Manager or manually. The Unix agent will then reconnect.

    The most recent hotfix does not have any Known issues according to the downloads site.

    Contrary to the information provided by the downloads site though, we know there are other bugs affecting v21.0.5, because we reported some of them in our support tickets. Knowing this, I went to the support portal and searched for "21.0.6".

     There are 19 22 KB articles about problems fixed in v21.0.6.

    None of these bugs is listed in the known issues on the downloads site.

    Once again, we find ourselves in the same situation that we were in a few months ago:

    • We invested considerable time in testing a new version, in preparation for upgrading our systems.
    • We learned that there are potentially serious bugs impacting the version we have been testing. This will significantly delay the upgrade and increase our costs because we must restart our testing from the beginning.
    • Broadcom took no proactive steps to warn us about the bugs; instead, we found out only by asking and doing our own research.
    • The Known Issues listed in the Release Notes are not up-to-date, and we have to piece together information from other sources like KB articles and support tickets.

    The lack of a consistent and proactive approach to publicizing known problems and notifying customers has been a weakness for a long time. I wrote about this back in 2017.

    Questions for @Shannon Hebert:

    1. Where should customers turn to find a complete list of the known problems with a particular release?
    2. If there is currently no single place to find this information, does Broadcom have a plan to address this need?
    3. Broadcom appears to have made the judgement that the bugs fixed in 21.0.6 did not merit proactive notification to potentially impacted customers - not even to customers known to be planning to upgrade to the impacted version. Is this correct?
    4. More generally, how does Broadcom recommend customers avoid installing software with known problems? E.g., should customers search the KB again every day up until the day of the planned upgrade?

    Cc: @Pascal Osthus-Bugat, @David Ainsworth 



  • 2.  RE: Known problems not listed in Release Notes tool

    Broadcom Employee
    Posted May 08, 2023 06:40 PM

    Hi Michael,

    I'll work with Kaj and the team to provide an update. As you've seen, we have improved our communication and transparency as requested and will continue to do so.

    We plan on notifying our customers once 21.0.6 is publicly available.

    Thank you,
    -Shannon



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  • 3.  RE: Known problems not listed in Release Notes tool

    Broadcom Employee
    Posted May 11, 2023 12:59 PM

    Hi Michael,

    Thank you for taking the time to provide detailed feedback. 

    Our primary objective is to assist our customers in attaining their business objectives and goals by leveraging our products. We recognize the importance of our customers' time invested in testing, implementing, administering, and maintaining our products. To fulfill their needs, we continuously strive to improve our offerings' usability, features, security, and quality.

    As we enhance our software, we also enhance our test plans to minimize the possibility of any missed defects. In the rare event of a high/critical widespread defect, we will record it as a known issue. However, not all reported issues impact our entire customer base; many are classified as Severity 3's or 4's. While these are not included in the known issue list, we ensure they are addressed and reported as fixed issues in the upcoming release.

    To your specific questions,
    1. & 2. The Release Notes tool is where fixes between releases can be viewed. For example, here's a list of all issues Fixed in 21.0.5 - Current (21.0.5 HF4).
    3. The issues resolved within 21.0.6 will be published in the release notes. As mentioned, if a problem is critical and widespread, we will post a notice as we recently did for 21.0.5.
    4. We will continue to notify our customers if a critical problem impacts everyone. Our contributions to our knowledge base can be searched as you linked, and here's an index that our team categorizes and updates regularly.

    Thank you,
    -Shannon


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    Head of AOD Automation Support
    Broadcom Software | Agile Operations Division
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  • 4.  RE: Known problems not listed in Release Notes tool

    Posted May 12, 2023 05:08 AM
    Edited by Antony Beeston May 12, 2023 06:12 AM

    @Shannon Hebert: Thanks for taking the time to reply. Thanks also to @Kaj Wierda and others who contributed.

    First of all, I want you to know that I appreciate the competing interests involved here. Although customers often benefit from more openness from vendors about known problems, I understand that Broadcom likely believes it benefits from publicizing less about software bugs, or doing so only later, after a fix has been made available.

    It's good that Broadcom does notify customers of bugs it considers serious. Broadcom cannot know however the impact a bug will have on every customer. Several times now, we have been hit by bugs that Broadcom knew about but didn't deem serious enough to merit proactive notification. In a few cases, these bugs have risen to a level we would consider serious. We would appreciate being trusted to judge for ourselves the potential seriousness of a bug for our business.

    Through its policies, whether it intends to or not, Broadcom is essentially advising customers not to upgrade to the most recent version. This is because the most straightforward way to get a list of (most) of the known problems in a given version is to wait until the next version has been released.

    I would like to take the time to single out for special praise the person responsible for the structured lists of Knowledge Base articles. Because the KB system is essentially unstructured; because articles are not always tagged consistently, and because the KB search, filtering, and sorting options are extremely limited; it can be difficult for customers use the KB to find information about a particular software component or version. I truly appreciate that someone took the time to impose some structure on this mess by writing an organized list of KB articles for each version. The person who did this work deserves a raise.

    These structured lists of KB articles however are not without limitations. The KB articles listed pertain only to versions that have already been released. What I have asked for is not duplication of a capability already offed by the Release Notes tool. What would be helpful is a structured list of KB articles ordered by affected version, not fixed version. If instead of bulleted lists the data were presented in tabular format, wherein the user could search, filter, and sort by affected version and fixed version, this would be more useful still.

    I'd like to point out that the Release Notes tool is precisely the sort of tool that does impose the sort of structure that would be required to deliver such functionality. Even though the structured lists in dedicated KB articles are much better than nothing, in making these lists Broadcom is effectively duplicating effort just to make a poor facsimile of an existing tool.

    • If it were possible to select unreleased versions in the Release Notes tool, customers could quickly find out about the known problems in a given version.
    • If there were links back and forth between the Release Notes and associated KB articles, customers could more quickly find work-arounds and fixes for problems, and with a lower likelihood of error.

    I gather that the downloads/release system and the KB system are completely distinct and do not share a common back-end. Perhaps this is an area where tighter integration would be beneficial.

    My overall reading of your message is that Broadcom wants to improve software quality & customer satisfaction, but somehow also believes that the status quo regarding communication about bugs & fixes is adequate. This is, I admit, somewhat disappointing.

    We will make the best of the current situation even as we continue to push for further improvements. Based on your feedback, our approach will be:

    • avoid installing the most recent release, especially in the weeks immediately following release;
    • do not rely on the Release Notes tool to identify known problems; instead, regularly search the KB for new articles about known bugs affecting versions we use or plan to use;
    • when planning an upgrade, ask our Technical Account Manager to provide us with complete lists of known bugs in the target version;
    • add test scenarios based these known bugs; and
    • test the target version extensively in an environment resembling production as closely as possible.

    Please correct me if I have misunderstood something; and please reply if you have additional ideas or suggestions. 



  • 5.  RE: Known problems not listed in Release Notes tool

    Posted May 15, 2023 01:29 AM
    Edited by Michael A. Lowry May 15, 2023 01:29 AM

    For what it' worth, I raised this topic back in 2017.



  • 6.  RE: Known problems not listed in Release Notes tool

    Posted May 15, 2023 02:40 AM

    Hi Shannon,

    I fully support Michael's objections! Customers spend a lot of time planning and executing an update. It is especially annoying if they run into an issue that is already known. 

    If Broadcom insn't willing or not able to provide the information about known bugs proactively, how would you suggest customers get aware of known bugs to prevent spending hours, days or weeks on an update attempt? 
    And as Michael already said: a non-widespread problem does not mean, that it's a minor problem for all customers. Quite the opposite: a bug in a mainframe agent does affect only a few customers but with potentially serious implications as a mainframe agent is not just "any agent".

    You said that you enhance your test plans. Well, if you could simulate all possible hardware and software constellations there wouldn't be a single bug in a released version. So there will always be bugs that pass unnoticed - in any software. The more important it is to communicate the bugs that have been reported by the customer base. I know that this confession causes discomfort to any kind of vendor, but we're talking of a software that is extremly crucial to most of your customers. We're not talking of a nice to have gadget...

    Cheers
    Christoph 



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  • 7.  RE: Known problems not listed in Release Notes tool

    Posted May 16, 2023 09:41 AM
    Edited by Michael A. Lowry Jun 01, 2023 04:40 AM

    Broadcom Support kindly provided me with a complete list of the bugs that will be fixed in AE v21.0.6. I cross-checked this list with the list of KB articles mentioning a fix release of v21.0.6. For the following KB articles, I could find no corresponding entries in the list of bugs fixed in AE v21.0.6:

    KB article

    Title

    Bug ID

    Resolution

    258180

    Process Monitoring is showing an Event object with status 'Still Active'.

    “will be fixed in a future 21.0 release”

    260861

    Event is going into FAULT_OTHER - Start impossible error

    259329

    LDAPSync cannot connect to multiple ldap servers set in url parameter

    AE-31089

    Fixed in AE v21.0.6

    258180

    While using :FILL &ARRAY#[] = GET_PUBLISHED_VALUE
    the values get truncated after 1294

    “will be fixed in a future 21.0 release”

    263209

    Forced WP traces pre-21.0.6 Cannot load conversation... 'UCDS_R'

    262288

    Forced traces error: U00045014 ...
    at 'java.lang.NumberFormatException.forInputString()'.

    259268

    An I/O error occurred: 'java.io.FileNotFoundException:D:
    Automic Agents rest bin ../temp OAACLJYV.TXT
    (The system cannot find the file specified)'

    264328

    SAML SSO Enable Autologin in v21 behaves different from v12.3

    “planned to be fixed in a future 21.0 service pack”

    263392

    C_PERIOD objects stop activating when empty hostgroup is found

    AE-29264

    Fixed in AE v21.0.6

    261095

    Linux WP core dumps when hostname= is set to very long name

    AE-30509

    Fixed in AE v21.0.6

    262473

    The child of a File Event remains active

    AE-30887

    Fixed in AE v21.0.6

    Many of these KB articles were last updated months ago. Presumably, some are out-of-date, and the associated fixes have slipped to a later fix pack since the articles were written. Because the KB and release system are not connected, when a bug fix doesn't make its originally intended release, a person must manually edit the associated KB article to indicate the new fix pack number and release date. Evidently, Broadcom Support staff are not performing this duty consistently.

    Some of the KB articles may refer to bugs that are truly included in v21.0.6, but could be identified as such because the title of the fix and the details in the KB article do not appear to refer to the same bug. It would help if Broadcom adopted a policy requiring consistent naming of bugs and associated KB articles.

    Until recently, some KB articles also included Jira bug IDs that could have been used to unambiguously draw the link between a KB article and the associated bug. Unfortunately, these IDs appear to have been scrubbed from the KB. Jira bug IDs were recently added back to the Release Notes tool, so their simultaneous removal from KB articles is a bit of a mystery. Further complicating matters, the search function of the tool is not able to search for Jira bug IDs.

    This experience again illustrates the risks and limitations of relying on the KB for accurate and up-to-date information about fixes.

    Update 2023.05.22 17:00 CEST: Now that v21.0.6 has been released, I was able to find bug IDs for a few of the bugs mentioned above: AE-31089, AE-30509, and AE-30887. I added a column to the table with this information.

    Update 2023.06.01 10:40 CEST: I identified another bug ID, AE-29264. I also added a Resolution column. Four of the KB articles still lack updated resolution information, and mistakenly mention a fix in v21.0.6 even though no such fix is documented in the list of AE v21.0.6 fixes.



  • 8.  RE: Known problems not listed in Release Notes tool

    Posted May 22, 2023 10:43 AM
    Edited by Michael A. Lowry May 22, 2023 11:11 AM

    AE 21.0.6 was released a few days ago.

    As far as I can tell, none only three of the bugs mentioned in the 11 KB articles above are fixed in AE v21.0.6.

    Will these bugs be fixed in AE v21.0.7?

    Update 2023.05.22 17:10 CEST: A few of the KB articles have been updated to omit mention of v21.0.6.



  • 9.  RE: Known problems not listed in Release Notes tool

    Broadcom Employee
    Posted May 22, 2023 12:05 PM

    Hi Michael and Christoph,

    Thank you for your feedback and recommendations on this topic.

    Over the past couple of weeks, our internal teams have met to discuss the best approach to keeping our customer base up to date on the latest fixes and known issues found within a particular release. The Product Release Notes (Bug Fixes) and Known Issues sections will be the places we will maintain. 
    The knowledge base documents are meant to be a helpful guide for self-service, and though we promote accuracy, releases identified within may push to a following release based on the priority of customer impact, level of effort, and time until the next release.

    Thanks again for your contributions.

    Best,
    -Shannon



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    Head of AOD Automation Support
    Broadcom Software | Agile Operations Division
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  • 10.  RE: Known problems not listed in Release Notes tool

    Posted May 23, 2023 03:16 AM
    Edited by Michael A. Lowry May 23, 2023 03:16 AM

    Hi @Shannon Hebert.

    That's great news! I agree that the Release Notes application is the most logical place to document this information.

    Currently, Automation Engine v21.0.6 still lists only one known issue:

    • Security related update included. (AE-31114)

    When can we expect the remaining known issues to be added?



  • 11.  RE: Known problems not listed in Release Notes tool

    Posted Jun 01, 2023 07:16 AM
    Edited by Michael A. Lowry Jun 01, 2023 07:16 AM

    Here is an updated list.

    Fixed in AE v21.0.6

    Since the official release of v21.0.6, I have identified the bugs corresponding to several of the KB articles. These bugs are indeed included in AE v21.0.6.

    KB article

    Title

    Bug ID

    Resolution

    259329

    LDAPSync cannot connect to multiple ldap servers set in url parameter

    AE-31089

    Fixed in AE v21.0.6

    263392

    C_PERIOD objects stop activating when empty hostgroup is found

    AE-29264

    Fixed in AE v21.0.6

    261095

    Linux WP core dumps when hostname= is set to very long name

    AE-30509

    Fixed in AE v21.0.6

    262473

    The child of a File Event remains active

    AE-30887

    Fixed in AE v21.0.6

    Fixed in a later service pack

    On 17 May, all of these articles still mentioned a forthcoming fix in AE v21.0.6. Since then, these articles have been updated to omit specific mention of AE v21.0.6, and now state only that a fix will be delivered in a later service pack. The bug IDs are not known.

    KB article

    Title

    Bug ID

    Resolution

    258180

    Process Monitoring is showing an Event object with status 'Still Active'.

    "will be fixed in a future 21.0 release"

    258180

    While using :FILL &ARRAY#[] = GET_PUBLISHED_VALUE
    the values get truncated after 1294

    "will be fixed in a future 21.0 release"

    264328

    SAML SSO Enable Autologin in v21 behaves different from v12.3

    "planned to be fixed in a future 21.0 service pack"

    Unknown resolution

    These KB articles still state that the bugs are fixed in v21.0.6, but I have been unable to identify the corresponding bugs in the official AE v21.0.6 fix list. The bug IDs are not known.

    KB article

    Title

    Bug ID

    Resolution

    260861

    Event is going into FAULT_OTHER - Start impossible error

    263209

    Forced WP traces pre-21.0.6 Cannot load conversation... 'UCDS_R'

    262288

    Forced traces error: U00045014 ...
    at 'java.lang.NumberFormatException.forInputString()'.

    259268

    An I/O error occurred: 'java.io.FileNotFoundException:D:
    Automic Agents rest bin ../temp OAACLJYV.TXT
    (The system cannot find the file specified)'

    I will update these tables if I receive new information.



  • 12.  RE: Known problems not listed in Release Notes tool

    Posted Jun 12, 2023 05:53 AM
    Edited by Nicole Boeger Jun 12, 2023 05:53 AM

    Hello everyone,

    I agree, too. We need more transparency to prevent buning time for issues that are already known.



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