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  • 1.  vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 09, 2012 03:25 PM

    Hello.

    Does anybody tried to use vMotion without shared storage (via webclient) based on a Essentials Plus license??? My option is still greyed out in the dialog....

    ESXi hosts are on 5.1 and in the cluster. VMFS is still on version 3. vCenter is deployed as appliance!

    Do I have to configure something special?

    Thanks.



  • 2.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 09, 2012 05:07 PM

    Essentials Plus does not include a Storage vMotion license.  You need to be at least Standard.



  • 3.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 09, 2012 06:37 PM

    As far as I understood this feature (not called storage vmotion) is also available at essentials plus ...



  • 4.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 09, 2012 07:13 PM

    Which option is grayed out? Please attach a screen shot.

    You should have the option to change host and datastore. Migrating the host only without shared storage is not possible in this case.

    André



  • 5.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 09, 2012 07:54 PM

    With the Essentials Plus license its is possible to Change both host and datastore when connected via web client

    VMFS is still on version 3

    Have you upgraded to ESXi 5.1 from previous version



  • 6.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 09, 2012 08:32 PM

    Yep, you can vmotion and svmotion with Essentials Plus.  I'm running Essentials Plus 4.1 and here's a screenshot.

    OP, what do you mean by  "Without Shared Storage"?



  • 7.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 09, 2012 08:46 PM

    Migrate isn't the same as storage vMotion.  With 4.1, if you're seeing an option for migrating both host and datastore then the guest is powered down and storage vMotion doesn't come into play.

    My reference for whether or not storage vMotion is supported is teh "VMware vSphere 4 License, Pricing and Packaging" whitepaper.  See page 6 at  http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf

    You'll also note that although VMware says that Endpoint is now included in all editions, Essentials is excluded.

    I don't believe that there is a change in 5.1 that adds Essentials as a valid license - what VMware had done for 5.1 is remove the shared storage requirement.



  • 8.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 09, 2012 09:02 PM

    I've installed my host fresh but the update of VMFS from version 3 to 5 is open. Options for migration of an VM (powered on) is only "Change host". Change datastore is greyed out!

    I don't want to use "Storage vMotion" !!! I want to use the "enhanced" vMotion Feature of changing datastore...



  • 9.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 09, 2012 09:08 PM

    You need storage vmotion in order to "vmotion" a VM without shared storage. Storage vMotion is not a feature included in Ess+ so you won't be able to do what you want, that is "vmotion between two host without shared storage".

    Regards,

    elgreco81



  • 10.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 10, 2012 06:38 AM

    http://www.vmware.com/products/datacenter-virtualization/vsphere/vmotion.html

    "Enhancements to vMotion in vSphere 5.1 provide a new level of ease and flexibility for live virtual machine migrations. Prior to vSphere 5.1, both vMotion and Storage vMotion required shared storage to perform live migrations of virtual machines. (vMotion required shared storage between hosts performing the vMotion. Storage vMotion required a host to have access to the source and destination datastores.) vSphere 5.1 removes the shared storage requirement."

    I thought it means "vMotion" can move a VM from one local to another local storage (without using Storage vMotion)...



  • 11.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 10, 2012 06:48 AM

    Post the screenshot of the Migrate VM wizard



  • 12.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 10, 2012 07:03 AM

    You can see that the migration requests "Storage vMotion" ... But I understood the feature description different!

    see also...http://blogs.vmware.com/vsphere/2012/09/vmotion-without-shared-storage-requirement-does-it-have-a-name.html



  • 13.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 10, 2012 08:34 AM

    Hi,

    It does lead to confusion.

    Hope it's clear now and your question is answered!!!

    Regards,

    elgreco81



  • 14.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 10, 2012 11:25 AM

    This article referenced above and subsequent comments would indicate otherwise  > 

    http://blogs.vmware.com/vsphere/2012/09/vmotion-without-shared-storage-requirement-does-it-have-a-name.html



  • 15.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 10, 2012 12:43 PM

    You are right! Now I'm confused...sorry...



  • 16.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 10, 2012 12:55 PM

    @mpr4ul -> I am speaking about powered on VMs

    You see the documentation or writing from VMware is not so clear ... I've openend an service request at VMware!



  • 17.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 11, 2012 11:30 AM

    Hi,

    Please post here the answer! People, any bets? I'm quite lost right now LOL

    Regards,

    elgreco81



  • 18.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 11, 2012 11:50 AM

    I am just waiting for an feedback ... first answer from service desk was "it should be possible" ..... we will see!



  • 19.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 16, 2012 08:13 AM

    Have some news!!

    The support team told me that this feature is available in Essentials Plus but at the moment there is a bug and it doesn't work. They are awaiting a fix in the next weeks.



  • 20.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 16, 2012 08:32 AM

    Awesome!!! :smileyhappy: Great news by the way!!! (not the "bug" part but the included feature :smileyhappy: )

    Thank you so much for your help!

    elgreco81



  • 21.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 09, 2012 08:32 PM

    Hi,

    I belive EdWilts is right, storage vMotion is not supported in Ess+ kit. Please, check out this link.

    http://www.vmware.com/products/datacenter-virtualization/vsphere/compare-kits.html

    It wouldn't be the first time that marketing info is outdated in this page, but I looked for other documents that tell this functionality was supported, without finding even one.

    Regards,

    elgreco81



  • 22.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Oct 10, 2012 11:31 AM

    Hi,

         I think "Essentials Plus license" may support storage vMotion.

         If you want to perform storage vMotion you need to "poweroff" the VM and try , then you will get enable the storage options in vMotion page



  • 23.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Mar 28, 2013 02:21 PM

    Has this been resolved?  I'm running Enterprise Plus on ESXi 5.1 and I can't migrate a VM without shared storage.   I can do it in 2 steps .... Change the host then change the storage but, you could always do that.  I thought in 5.1 you could migrate to a different host even if it's not in the same cluster and on local storage as long as the CPUs were the same?  When I try to migrate, I get the same old "Unable to access the config file" erros that I always have.

    We have small offices that could use a a second host but we can't afford shared storage too.  It would be a nice feature that would allow us to patch a host or replace an out of warranty host without any downtime.



  • 24.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Mar 28, 2013 02:37 PM

    WTF !!!* I guess the "Vmotion without shared storage" is only available through the web client.  I'm not really sure what the client has to do with it but I just tested it and it works.  You would think that would be something you would put in Big bold letters in the documentation especially since this is the first version with this feature and only being able to do things in the web client for new features is kind of a new concept.  I found it burried in the comments on this article:

    http://blogs.vmware.com/vsphere/2012/09/vmotion-without-shared-storage-requirement-does-it-have-a-name.html

    * Wow That's Funny



  • 25.  RE: vMotion without shared storage

    Posted Mar 28, 2013 06:13 PM

    Ed wrote:

    I guess the "Vmotion without shared storage" is only available through the web client.

    That'll be the norm for any new functionality going forward.  The full (C#) client will be around for a while cause you need something to connect directly to hosts for example, but the primary tool for management is meant to be the web client.