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ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

Itfascin

ItfascinMar 19, 2012 03:14 PM

  • 1.  ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 16, 2012 03:41 PM

    I installed update1 on a ESXi 5.0 box running the Free Hypervisor,  and it was licensed with a free license that limits vRAM to 32GB,  and now that license is no longer valid.   It says because the system actually has more than 32GB of physical RAM it will not be allowed.  Is this a planned change?    I didn't see anything mentioned in the Release notes.



  • 2.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 16, 2012 04:46 PM

    Found it in the release notes

    http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=2012671

    PR 712342 not specific to free edition in the notes, but sound like your issue.

    It should therefore be fixed not broken once you've updated. Unfortunatley I don't have a server with more than 32GB that I could test it on.



  • 3.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 17, 2012 05:57 PM

    Exact same issue here after installing update 1.

    Had 64GB memory, licensed for 32GB standard edition was installed, (so was only using 32GB), now wont start as says license expired.

    When you try to enter the license back in you get:  "Error occurred when assigning the specified license key: The system Memory is not satisfied with the 32 GB of Maximum Memory limit."

    Had to pull out 32GB for now to get things going. Would like to keep the physical memory installed as may upgrade to enterprise edition down the road.

    Steve.



  • 4.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 19, 2012 08:49 AM

    The behaviour which you saw in ESXi 50 GA , wherein you could power on the Free hypervisor with more than 32GB of Physical Memory was a defect.

    This has been fixed in ESXi5.0 Update 1 . That is the reason you cannot use physical memory more than 32GB in the Free Hypervisor



  • 5.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 19, 2012 01:23 PM

    I however am not running the free version, but the Standard version licensed for two CPU's. Should that allow 64GB? Or is it still limited to 32GB?

    If still limited to 32GB, I think I will be returning the license and just run the free version.



  • 6.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 19, 2012 02:00 PM

    Welcome to the Commuinty

    Call VMware support this has to go there and your issue will be fixed ASAP.



  • 7.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 19, 2012 02:55 PM

    It must be busted, and why they are distributing 5.0 Release.

    On the normal download site they are distributing 5.0 Release as the latest.  I went to download Update 1 from a link and it said I hadn't registered for a license.  I applied for  the license, it didn't give me a license, and the download it tried to give me was 5.0 Release.



  • 8.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 19, 2012 02:59 PM


  • 9.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 19, 2012 03:23 PM

    >Maybe its time to try downloading from the right link:<

    However, unless I'm mssing something, that link is not to the free version, which is what this thread is about.

    Thank you for your reply



  • 10.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 19, 2012 04:33 PM

    I downloaded the Essentials version, installed, BUT used the free version key from 5.0 release.  It accepted the key, and seems to work fine.



  • 11.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 22, 2012 02:07 PM

    I must just be really unlucky then.

    I did a fresh install of ESXi 5 U1, downloaded the media from the Enterprise link within the vSphere section as the regular ESXi Hypervisor download does not show ESXi 5 U1.

    I receive the following error upon trying to insert the license:

    So I did a fresh install of ESXi 5 (version 469512) and was able to set the license key properly and the system works just fine.

    Performed an upgrade to ESXi 5 U1 and am instantly greeted with a license expiration notice:

    So am I taking it correctly, that I need to physically remove RAM to make the system function properly?

    Or am I just being impatient in wanting to upgrade my test box to ESXi 5 U1?

    Thanks.



  • 12.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 22, 2012 02:30 PM
    I must just be really unlucky then.   I  did a fresh install of ESXi 5 U1, downloaded the media from the  Enterprise link within the vSphere section as the regular ESXi  Hypervisor download does not show ESXi 5 U1.

    I think you might have missed it.  If you followed the link posted by venkyVM, you will find it cleverly hidden as the first item in the list. :smileygrin:

    I would believe the Enterprise wouldn't work.  The only reason that I thought the "VMware ESXi 5.0 Installable Update 1" might work, is because it is basically what you get with the free version before the time bomb goes off, and before you put in the free version license key.  Download the other one and let us know how that works for you.  It worked great for me.



  • 13.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 22, 2012 04:12 PM

    I've downloaded it 3 different times, each from different links...

    3/21/2012 = Enterprise

    3/22/2012 9:35 AM =  Essentials

    3/22/2012 12:07 PM = Standard

    It's the exact same ISO.

    EDIT: And yes, I did go back and do reinstalls, it ends with the same result.



  • 14.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 22, 2012 04:29 PM
    It's the exact same ISO.     EDIT: And yes, I did go back and do reinstalls, it ends with the same result.

    WOW!  It went incredibly smooth for me.  Either I've been very lucky, or you've been very unlucky.  The only light I can shed on this is your .iso has the same name and size as the one I have.  Maybe get another license key?

    EDIT:  I can think of one difference, and that is I'm prototyping under Workstation 8, not on bare metal.  I can't imagine it would make a difference, but that's the only difference I can think of.



  • 15.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 22, 2012 07:57 PM

    Just two comments:

    1. There is only one ESXi 5.0 install ISO (resp. only one ESXi 5.0 Update 1 install ISO). Even the free VMware vSphere Hypervisor download is the same than the Enterprise Plus download. It is really only the license key that makes a difference.

    2. It is by intention that the free VMware vSphere Hypervisor does not run on hosts with more than 32 GB RAM. See the last FAQ here.

    It was just a bug in ESXi 5.0 that this limit was not enforced, and this bug was resolved with Update 1.

    - Andreas



  • 16.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 22, 2012 08:17 PM

    2. It is by intention that the free VMware vSphere Hypervisor does not run on hosts with more than 32 GB RAM. See the last FAQ here.

    It was just a bug in ESXi 5.0 that this limit was not enforced, and this bug was resolved with Update 1.

    I just hate it when that happens.  :smileywink:

    We want bugs! We want bugs! More bugs!  :smileygrin:



  • 17.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 22, 2012 10:19 PM

    kruddy wrote:

    So am I taking it correctly, that I need to physically remove RAM to make the system function properly?

    Or am I just being impatient in wanting to upgrade my test box to ESXi 5 U1?

    Thanks.

    The license limit always referred to vRAM, not physical RAM. How much RAM have your VMs been allocated?



  • 18.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 22, 2012 10:29 PM
    How much vRAM does a VMware vSphere Hypervisor license provide?

    vSphere Hypervisor license provides a vRAM entitlement of  32GB per server, regardless of the number of physical processors.  vSphere Hypervisor can be used on servers with maximum physical RAM  capacity of 32GB

    That was 5.0, but not any more as indicated the the link peetz posted.



  • 19.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 23, 2012 02:03 AM

    IT_Architect wrote:

    That was 5.0, but not any more as indicated the the link peetz posted.

    It appears you're correct.

    Urgh VMware, why do this?



  • 20.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 23, 2012 04:29 PM
    Urgh VMware, why do this?

    1.  3.5u3 was released with a time bomb that caused everyone's servers to stop on the same day.  :smileygrin:  I have little doubt that this was an honest mistake.  They immediately rushed out a new 3.5u3, but left the API open to writes by mistake, or "mistake", which made it the same as one you pay good money for.  3rd party vendors jumped on this too.

    2.  Now we have 5.0.  People went through the roof when it was limited to 8 gigs when it first came out.  When everyone ran for Hyper-V and XEN, they quickly upped it to 32 gigs, and made this "mistake".

    Perspective:  Around the 3.5u3 time, Hyper-V and XEN had just started their full frontal assaults, and were gaining a lot of mind share.  VMware got a new president, who came from Microsoft, who MAY have taught them how to make "mistakes".  Microsoft makes lots of "mistakes" like this.  They get people to use the product, increase their market share to dominant levels, and then increase their revenue without raising the price by fixing "bugs", forcing their products to comply with "best practices", and "improving" their licensing to make things "simpler".  If you want a case study, look at the history of Microsoft Small Business Server.  Therefore it does not necessarily follow in my mind that these are bugs.  They might have just been "bugs". :smileywink:

    Nobody has the courage to say,
    "We've risked and invested a lot in our product, realize that the initial  excitement of lesser products has worn off now that people have actually tried to use them in a live environment, and know you're hooked on our products like a junkie looking for a fix.  Processors are getting more cores, each with more power, and memory is getting cheaper all the time.  We want a larger share of your increasing ROI because we can get it, and believe we deserve it."
    If they can get it, it must mean they deserve it.  The only reason their competition can brag that they aren't doing this, is they can't.  So it's a card game, and we're both trying to skin each other.  Meanwhile, CITRIX and Microsoft are looking over our shoulders so see if they can get into the game and still make a buck.



  • 21.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Aug 10, 2012 05:10 PM

    I had the same problem. If you have somehow prior knowledge of where to download the package from, you can get it, but if you try to navigate to it or search for it, the update01 package is listed, but you're not eligible to download it. Then when you request a license, the zip package  suddenly dissappears from the list. I found a link to the same package at a vmware/patchmgr URL, and that downloaded fine. When I applied the update though, my ESX host failed with a message that the license had expired. The reason was too much RAM for the free version. I popped out all but 32G of ram, and it is working again.          



  • 22.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Sep 04, 2012 07:20 AM

    So I mst phisically remove the RAM from the server to got it work?

    Why this isn't a logical limit, and when I have more ram esxi not use more then 32GB?



  • 23.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Sep 05, 2012 11:47 AM

    It is annoying not beeing able to update vmware on a server with more than 32GB memory. But I understand from a business perspective that to give away a complete, almost unlimited product doesn't get you very rich.

    Windows Server 2012 is beeing released theese days. To run it in ESXi I would have to pull out 12GB of memory and upgrade to ESX 5.0 u1/u2

    Microsoft Hyper-V seems to only restrict the number of VMs, not resource use. And with the Datacenter version you got unlimited VMs.
    Time to convert?



  • 24.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Nov 08, 2012 02:15 PM

    Same problem here. I need to run Windows 2012 in a test enviroment with more than 32 GB RAM...

    Yes, time to convert. Don't see any other solution for me.



  • 25.  RE: ESXi 5 update1 forces hard RAM limit on free version?

    Posted Mar 19, 2012 03:14 PM

    Certainly helps.