macOS 13 Ventura VM (Intel)

[SvenGus]

It installs just fine (new VM); but when it gets into the setup assistant, it constantly reboots after some seconds (the time can vary: setup loads, but then crashes): perhaps some form of graphics problem...?

[ColoradoMarmot]

With every new MacOS release, VMWare has to update Fusion to support it (sometimes multiple times).  It's unclear if they'll update Fusion 12 or will build support into a new version.  They've hinted at something coming this month, so hopefully soon, but it may be some time.  And keep in mind that Apple likes to slipstream things into later betas that also break Fusion, so definitely don't rely on it for production use until both Ventura and Fusion are actually released (i.e. don't put it on your only host).

[albatros99]

you must known that osx 13 is a beta and only a developper version!

Public beta for all users that will test this will be available in one or two weeks.

The release version is coming later, i think september!

Give Vmware the time to test the developer version and make the necessary changes!

Many people wait of a fusion version for m1-, now m2-processors! Since more than 1 year only preview version!

[gilby101]

Did you make any changes to the config. At some point you will probably want to add 

svga.present="FALSE"
appleGPU0.present="TRUE"

and make sure you are using

ethernet0.virtualDev = "vmxnet3"

I have Ventura installed, with VM Tools, and now running full screen. 

I used this old Monterey beta guide to keep me on track: https://blog.eucse.com/how-to-run-macos-monterey-12-beta-in-vmware-fusion/

[SvenGus]

I installed Ventura in the latest Fusion in a new VM, after having created the install media with Parallels (which, BTW, has the exactly same issue with the setup assistant). Did you perhaps upgrade from a previous Monterey VM…? That’s probably the way to go, for now. Let’s see if the guide in the link will be updated to macOS 13…

[gilby101]

I did a clean install, not an upgrade. Used a bootable ISO, built as in the link I gave before.

[SvenGus]

Nuntio vobis gaudium magnum: habemus Venturam!

The Apple GPU settings - even if still rather unstable at boot (and with this enabled, a strange message about reducing the number of virtual processor cores to only one appears, at every boot, even if the Ventura VM has the default number for macOS VMs), and often also with a very annoying screen flickering and other graphic glitches - seemed to “stabilize” the setup assistant: and after some attempts, it was possible to proceed with the setup, which finally completed, even if slowly. I also managed to install the VMware Tools (but no Retina resolutions available, only the maximum for the screen). That said, there are lots of glitches, of course: neither Fusion nor Parallels are ready for Ventura, yet (which is also obvious, as it’s new and still in an early beta stage). Thanks for all your suggestions…

[gilby101]

I should have mentioned the strange message about number of cores. Most annoying as boot does proceed without user interaction.  I can put up with the coloured screen flickering at startup as I have it running full screen and that is in another space - just wait for a few minutes.

What is most surprising is that we can actually get Beta 1 running in a VM without further assistance from VMware!

[gilby101]

PS. Great bit of Latin. I did scrape a pass in my O-level, but it was long ago!

[ColoradoMarmot]

That message is odd, because MacOS won't boot with less than 2.  Interesting

[SvenGus]

… And yes, I changed the network to vmxnet3. I’ll try to add the experimental Apple GPU lines.

[SvenGus]

… After some more experiments with Ventura beta 2 (imported from Parallels, after uninstalling their Tools), actually the VMware Tools seem to work also for Retina resolutions; even if I had to disable the experimental Metal AppleGPU, as it is too unstable on my test machine (which only supports Metal 1: maybe this could be the cause, who knows…): sadly, still with flickering, randomly invisible Menu Bar and Dock, artifacts, etc. - while the “traditional” SVGA still works, albeit without transparency effects…

[Piipperi]

I'm facing the exact same issue where the VM just crashes at setup assistant, more specificly at the point where you choose the region. I have tried adding the Apple GPU but either it gives me a black screen, or an empty loading bar without an Apple logo and VM basically being halted (logs also show SATA going to sleep)

[gilby101]

I am assuming you have set the ethernet adapter and played with video settings.

What is the model of your host Mac? If it is not supported by Apple for Ventura, you are likely to have problems with Ventura in a virtual machine - from reduced/unusable graphics to crashing early.

[JustamereUsernm]

I have tried these suggestions, as well as many combinations of others, but my Ventura beta 3 will not progress past the Recovery window (see attached)

 

I can select "Install macOS Ventura beta", click Continue, but I never progress to the next screen which should be to select an install location (I even waited 12 hours, just to be sure it wasn't thinking about something).

 

I've also tried entering Disk Utility, first, and formatting the vm hard drive (as was suggested in posts on other sites), and then performing the above, but the results are the same.

 

Any tips? I'm curious to try out the new Reminders and Notes features. Also, I want to see if some of the Share Sheet bugs have been worked out.

 

[gringley]

I cloned my Monterey Public Beta and then upgraded the clone with the Ventura Public Beta.  Crashed all the time until I switched to the Apple GPU.  I am curious about this though long term as my experience has been that I needed to be on SVGA to do version updates then switch back to Apple GPU after the update.  It appears at least for now that SVGA does not work in Ventura?

[gilby101]

When I installed Beta 1 (clean install from bootable iso) I needed SVGA for first steps, but since then:

svga.present="FALSE"
appleGPU0.present="TRUE"

works all the time.  And "all the time" includes updating to beta2 and beta 3.  I have not needed to touch my vmx file since the initial install.

[Piipperi]

Am I like the only one whose Apple GPU doesn't work? I have never been able to get it to work with VMware, i wrote a post about it already nearly a year ago and I still can't get Apple GPU to work on my system. And SVGA crashes on me all the time as well

[ColoradoMarmot]

The Apple GPU has was always early access/beta/experimental, and has a lot of known issues.  It's also highly dependent on what particular GPU you have in your machine, and the very specific OS version.

[gilby101]

Piipperi, Are you using the same Haswell processor MBP that you were using a year ago?  If so, it is not supported for Ventura and the "get Ventura running on old Macs" experts have doubts (see MacRumors discussion) about getting Haswell to work with Ventura. Nor was Haswell supported for Monterey, but the obstacles can be overcome.

[Piipperi]

No, but I am still using the same eGPU. It's possible that VMware Fusion with Apple GPU doesn't properly work with eGPUs, as much as I want to say other virtualization software work no problem, I know VMware has other things to focus on rather than fixing a feature not many actually would even use. I was able to use SVGA mode fine for years as well, but it Kernel Panics Ventura, so it can't really be used at this point in time.

[ColoradoMarmot]

The eGPU and CPU are different.  What is the host hardware?  If it's not supported by Ventura, then Fusion likely won't work.

As far as eGPU support goes, that's highly OS dependent, no surprise that doesn't work yet.

[JustamereUsernm]

I could not make a clean install work no matter what I did, so I tried an upgrade (again).

I changed no settings at first. Then, I was caught in an endless, repeating restart until I adjusted the ethernet thing:

ethernet0.virtualDev = "vmxnet3"

 Now, I have a functional Ventura beta 3 install.

[JustamereUsernm]

Since this thread is sufficiently hijacked, let me ask this...

Venture b3 is painfully slow. I'm running fusion on a pure SSD system with 64GB RAM. Ventura has 8GB and 2 processors, which has always been fine for other macOS VMs.

Any tips on speeding up Ventura?

[ColoradoMarmot]

I suspect Ventura has much heaver requirements given the machines that dropped off.  Try running at full N-1 physical cores and see if that helps.

Of course, having real support in Fusion is probably part of the issue

[gilby101]

JustamereUsernm, I am surprised at how good the performance is for a Ventura VM.  My vm has 4 cores and 6 GB RAM on a 2019 iMac.  Some apps can be bit slow starting up (particularly Safari) but otherwise very good.  CPU load is minimal unless I stress it.  And I do expect a beta to be a bit slower than the final release (debugging code, etc.)  I don't think there are any hidden tricks - biggest variable is host GPU and client graphics settings.  And, of course, it won't run well (if at all) on hosts which will not be supported for Ventura.

What is your host and have you set graphics as in my first post of this thread?