Ghost Elements

[Felicity Vaughan]

I have some ghost elements - they are just names.  They are in Endevor but there's nothing behind them.  Nothing in the Base/Delta libs.  If there's nothing there and I can't do anything with them, I'd like to just delete the entire entry from Endevor - Any ideas of the best way to do this?

Thanks.

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[Eoin OCleirigh]

Hi Felicity,

Could these be no-source elements?  If you have the latest maintenance applied, you can now browse no-source elements, even without that, you should be able to see more info using the 'M' for Master line command.  If attempting to browse them results in SMGRxxx messages, then you might be dealing with real ghosts, and I'd recommend you open a ticket with support.  If they are just No-Source, less of a concern, you can see from the master information who last touched them (probably an NoSource  Generate) in which case deleting them would also remove any outputs generated by them.

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[Felicity Vaughan]

When I try to browse them I can do an M, but if I try a 'B' I get "FOOTPRINT ERROR'. I can't retrieve or do anything else (delete, whatever), so I don't know how to fix the footprint issue - or what it is. I don't get any additional information. I'll try and run something in Batch and see if I get more information.


Thanks,
Felicity Vaughan

[Karen Turner]

pressing F1 (maybe twice) immediately after receiving the fp message should give you the full message text; batch will definitely give you the 1708-002 allocation error indicating if tis the base and/or delta is missing.   If you have reverse base, you can easily verify if its missing using ISPF.  

Again, if this is in a lower stage and you don't need them, I stand by my original suggestion of catalog sync and/or '*NOPROC*' delete.

KT

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[Felicity Vaughan]

Unfortunately, it doesn't do that. Basically it says it can't find the element in the base or delta. I'm wondering if I should delete it from the MCF and then re-add it from a backup file.



Thanks,
Felicity Vaughan

[Karen Turner]

agreed.  if you need it, that is your only option.  perform an Endevor delete and then an Endevor restore , or re-add from pds.

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[John Scott]

If not already done so it would be worth running the VALIDATE utility to report integrity issues and provide more clues.

This will sometimes create SCL in a flat file to help clean up.

Specify the Environment and SYSTEM or * before running 

//BC1JUNLD EXEC PGM=NDVRC1,REGION=4096K,PARM='C1BM5000'      
//BSTIPT01 DD *                                              
 VALIDATE ENVIRON xxxxx SYS xxxx .                                    
//C1SCL1   DD DSN=&SYSUID..REPAIR.SCL,                     
//            UNIT=3390,                                     
//            SPACE=(TRK,(5,1)),                             
//            DISP=(NEW,CATLG,DELETE),                       
//            DCB=(LRECL=80,RECFM=FB)                        
//C1MSGS1  DD SYSOUT=*                    DETAIL REPORT      
//C1MSGS2  DD SYSOUT=*                    SUMMARY REPORT     
//SYMDUMP  DD DUMMY                                          
//SYSUDUMP DD SYSOUT=*                                       

(This has helped me clean up after issues such as defining .NEW base / deltas and forgetting to rename correctly).

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[Karen Turner]

Hi Felicity,

My opinion:

1. Run the element catalog repair (synchronization) utility, BC1PCSYN, it sounds like you have elmcatl pointers to elements that don't exist.  Its sole purpose it to clean up these orphaned entries.
2. f that doesn't work, you can just delete them, (if applicable change the proc grp to *noproc*) it will throw a rc=12 due to            nothing found in base/delta, but it will delete the MCF entry

Good Luck,

Karen

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[Tim Krampitz]

Hi Felicity,
You've gotten some good recommendations - feel free to open a case and we can investigate further if you are not getting this issue resolved. 

Tim

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