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  • 1.  OWB - Clarity data auto modification after time sheet adjustment

    Posted May 28, 2014 02:59 AM

    Hi

    When resource submitted time get posted in Clarity, the current ETC gets reduced. However when resource adjust the same timecard and make the Posted actual to ZERO on project, then ETC value on task in Clarity/OWB should get added back. But this is not happening in Clarity. We are using V12 of Clarity. Please help. Thanks in advance.



  • 2.  RE: OWB - Clarity data auto modification after time sheet adjustment

    Posted May 28, 2014 03:06 AM
    Hello Ashwin,
     
    When you process an adjustment timesheet we do not decrement/ or add back 
    ETC. 
     
    We do not want to assume this is what the customer wants. It could be the 
    PM had already adjusted the ETC after the first posting to be correct. 
     
    When a resource adjusts actuals on a timesheet they need to edit the ETC 
    which creates pending etc. 
     
    Then the PM can accept or reject the pending etc in a scheduler, or manually in Clarity so it applies to the true etc.
     
    Regards
    Chandrani


  • 3.  RE: OWB - Clarity data auto modification after time sheet adjustment

    Posted May 28, 2014 03:43 AM

    Thanks Chandrani, but Clariy decrement the ETC automatically when time get posted on Task, then why it is not getting added back if resource adjust the hours?



  • 4.  RE: OWB - Clarity data auto modification after time sheet adjustment

    Posted May 28, 2014 03:51 AM

    Ashwin,

    As you enter time, you see the ETC on the timesheet drop. When you post that timesheet you typically see the assignment s ETC reset. 

     

    HOWEVER, with an adjusting timesheet, the rules are different. Because of how timesheets work, when you adjust the time the actual usage is reduced but the ETC IS NOT increased. That s the behavior you re seeing in your case. 

     

    I know it doesn t make total sense because technically you lose some usage when you adjust (actuals go down but ETC remains the same) but that s how it works. Basically it s to support external schedulers like Open Workbench or MSP. 

     

    Here is a scenario that forces this implementation. 

     

    Let s say you open a Clarity project in Open Workbench. While you have it open and are working with it, somebody runs posting and time is posted to one or more task assignments on that project you have open. The ETC on those assignments is reduced. Back in Open Workbench you save the project back to Clarity. 

     

    The problem is that the ETC on the assignments from OWB won t be correct anymore because posting reduced it. We need a way to know when this happens. 

    The decision  was to use a date on the assignment called Actuals Thru Date . This date represents the timeperiod FINISH date of the last period posted for that assignment. No remaining work 

    (ETC) can exist before this date, it s the line between what has been done (actuals) and what s left to do (ETC). 

     

    When we reduce ETC, we are basically moving this date forward and adding more time to the total actual work complete. 

     

    Okay so now you want to adjust a timesheet. You go into any given timesheet which has already been posted and change the amount of actual work (up or down) and repost. But, the Actuals Thru Date isn t changed, therefore preventing ETC from changing. 

     

    This is how it is designed to avoid confusions and to maintain data integrity. Hope this explanation helps you.



  • 5.  RE: OWB - Clarity data auto modification after time sheet adjustment

    Posted May 28, 2014 04:20 AM

    Hi Chandrani,

    Wow! I never knew all that history behind Actuals Thru Date. Thanks a lot for the wonderful explanation smiley

    Thanks,

    Georgy



  • 6.  RE: OWB - Clarity data auto modification after time sheet adjustment

    Posted May 28, 2014 04:26 AM

    Anytime Georgy :)



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  • 8.  RE: OWB - Clarity data auto modification after time sheet adjustment

    Posted May 30, 2014 12:42 AM

    Hi Chandrani, But actual thru date must change to new posting date for posting of OLD adjusted timecard. Can you please clarify?

    Is this issue got fix in Version 13?

    Thanks.



  • 9.  RE: OWB - Clarity data auto modification after time sheet adjustment

    Posted May 30, 2014 02:17 AM

    Hello Ashwin,

    With the actual thru date design, when you post an adjustment, the ETC on the assignment will not change. 

    There have been a number of bugs logged in the past on this subject, and Product Management has confirmed that it is working as designed. In one of these bugs, I found the following explanation from Product Management: 
     
    There are some use cases that make this very problematic. Consider what happens if the adjustment takes place after a long enough period of time that the project manager has already updated his plan and, presumably, settled on an ETC that makes sense given the reality of progress that was made in prior weeks (as opposed to simple math applied to numbers typed into timesheets). 
     
    We may agree or disagree with the above, but the behaviour is as designed. I am afraid the behavior is same even in 13.x . You have to change the ETC manually, in such scenarios. 
     
    Regards
    Chandrani


  • 10.  RE: OWB - Clarity data auto modification after time sheet adjustment

    Posted May 30, 2014 02:54 AM

    The use case where I find this problematic is when the act thru date needs to be changed it can't be.

    Say for some reason a project manager by mistake approved and consequently thousands of timesheets were posted for August instead of the proper April like in the recent thread.

    Decrementing the ETC automatically when actuals are entered will not happen until the actual date catches the act thru date for all resources and all their assigned projects where this mishap happened.

    There does not seem to be anything that can be done about it.

     

    Martti K.